Can't make money off of me if I don't exist rule

/gen is this sarcasm or are you not aware that you answered your question with your second sentence :(

I’m ugly and have self-esteem issues

That’s eugenics. Choosing not to reproduce for genetic reasons.

Yeah I have no idea why this person is on about. Antinatalism has literally nothing to do with eugenics. It's all about saying "fuck you I'm not going to make more cogs for the machine."

I'll be honest it was a huge question that hung over my wife and I when we were trying to decide whether to have kids or not. But we were in our mid 30s and it was a 'now or never' type situation.

Believe it not there is positives in raising kids. We're definitely not judgemental of people who decide they don't want to. But I love my kids more than I knew it was possible. And we're trying to raise them with an understanding of the world that's a bit broader than the ra-ra pro-capital values we were taught as kids.

no, i have no belief regarding the world’s population in either direction. this comment pretty much explains the rest of my position.

You need to go learn about Demographic Transition. The world’s population is naturally going to cap itself this century.

yeah i would also support putting slurs behind nsfw tags that kind of seems obvious to me wow

laughs in unemployment

$35 copay! Best money ever.

Hundreds of thousands

I’m not sure that any kids I might have are going to become slaves….

I got more of a, "You can't continue to take advantage of us if we don't have anymore children and kill off your workforce through gained apathy to our future." Kinda vibe.

It helps if you look at it from the perspective of the capitalist class. Workers are a form of free capital. Capitalists don't have to assume any of the burdens involved in creating life, raising a child, acculturating them to social standards that make them suitable workers, etc. They don't even have to pay for the education or training that makes them capable as human capital in various industrial contexts.

All those costs are dumped onto the working classes, not just as parents (usually the woman) who are expected to deliver a baby, nurse the baby, raise the resulting child until they are the age of the majority all without any wages, access to benefits like retirement plans or health insurance, etc. but also onto taxpayers who subsidize the rest of the costs outside of the home such as their schooling and transportation to the schools.

There is a huge leverage here that the working class does not take by organizing the production of themselves. If we all agreed to not have children and demanded fair compensation for any new production of human capital, society would be much more just and the capitalist class would have less room to exploit us.

That seems like super lame throwing in the towel.

Ok. That’s a very fine system if everyone in the country works in a button factory where they just push buttons on a keyboard all day and don’t actually produce anything.

What do you think businesses are… making products for??

The good news is I consider one partner/testing/IUD, tubes tied etc to be "safe sex"

Yeah I hear you, I live in the PNW and it still took me three obgyns before a doctor would finally approve. At the time I was a child free never pregnant 22 year old,. The doctor still required that I write a letter stating I understand it's irreversible. Still pretty condescending imo. You aren't wrong, it's hard and depending where you are in the us impossible to access humane women's healthcare.

But you are wrong to assume women seeking sterilizations all get hysterectomies. There are at least a handful of options, I got Essure but I think that it's no longer on the market. I walked out of my appointment, still more of an ordeal for ladies but not necessarily as dramatic as a hysterectomy.