Live Updates: Jury to Consider Felony Charges Against Trump
Live Updates: Jury to Consider Felony Charges Against Trump
Twelve New Yorkers have begun deliberations on the 34 felony counts against Donald Trump in the first criminal trial of an American president. He is accused of falsifying business records in connection with a payment to a porn star.
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One challenge for the jury is the unusual layering of charges: The charges against Mr. Trump are felonies because prosecutors say he falsified the records to cover up another crime.
It's the coverup that gets you, not the crime.
If he'd have just cut her a check directly, none of this would be happening.
It's going to be insane if what brings trump down is that he underestimated what his voters would handwave away.
I don't think he'd have lost a single vote if he just admitted he paid a pornstar for sex. Hell, with the way Republicans act he probably would have gained votes.
98I don't think he'd have lost a single vote if he just admitted he paid a pornstar for sex. Hell, with the way Republicans act he probably would have gained votes.
In hindsight, this is absolutely true. At the time, however, on the heels of the Access Hollywoo tape, it may have been a one-two knockout. Unfortunately, as we have since learned, anything Republicans say or do is perfectly fine with their voters. The political process in the US is forever changed for the worse.
51I don't think he'd have lost a single vote if he just admitted he paid a pornstar for sex. Hell, with the way Republicans act he probably would have gained votes.
This might be where his insistence on denying everything finally backfires on him. Because if he didn't deny that it happened, the Prosecution would not have needed to bring Daniels onto the stand. While the act itself is not a crime, his insistence on having his lawyers deny it, in the face of graphic evidence, will serve to convince the jury that he is a liar, and make them less likely to find his other explanations credible.
33I think the nail in the coffin is really gonna be Michael Cohen‘s testimony. Maga world made such a big deal of calling him a liar, but the trial made it very clear that he was Trump’s liar. He lied for Trump, and the evidence corroborates that, as do the witnesses that the defense called.
21I'll go so far as to say that if he had just admitted that the sex happened, he'd walk.
Let's be realistic. No amount of jury instructions can override basic human nature. And I'd be willing to bet that almost nobody on that jury cared about anything other than the testimony of Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen. Had Trump just acknowledged that the sex happened, there would be no reason to put Daniels on the stand and the jury would be going into deliberations over a whole bunch of boring facts and technicalities that could cure insomnia. Instead, they're going in there with a vision of an orange man with a mushroom dick in his boxers being spanked with a magazine seared into their heads. Her testimony was (a) largely irrelevant relative to what he's been charged with, and (b) will be given outsized weight with the jury just because of the scandalous details she gave. Right or wrong, that's just human nature. Keep her off the stand and you've got a case that's about as exciting as the ingredients on a tube of toothpaste.
12I wish I had your confidence that he'll face any consequences. I don't think his supporters know anything about the trial, other than it's "a deeply unfair politically motivated witch trial in a kangaroo court".
I'm just hoping that the remainder of voters aren't too far gone and realize what a POS he is. The polling being as close as it is concerns me.
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A lot of people do think he's on trial simply for paying a prostitute; they don't care. Check out a few MAGA interviews on YouTube.
5If he'd have just cut her a check directly, none of this would be happening.
Yes, but he used campaign funds, because he's a cheap bastard, and he didn't report it.
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i'm extremely pessimistic that any single thing that should happen actually will happen
76Just watched trumps little tirade during a break in the trial and he said "even mother Teresa couldn't beat these charges..."
Sounds like it's going great!
68Remember when mother Teresa paid a pornstar to keep her mouth shut while she was running for election? Yeah, I heard she couldn’t beat those charges in a court of law.
48What does that mean? Like the crimes are so bad and blatant that they wouldn't give anyone a pass?
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His "first criminal trial"，does the heart good.
Looking forward to the sequels
34If he wins, they'll be cancelled. Ironic, since the cons claim to hate cancel culture so much.
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Calling it, they won't do shit to him. If they do, I might have some faith.
But after two impeachments, he practically gets away with nearly everything.
18In those impeachment, though, he had the protection of 40+ Republican Senators who were afraid of how voting against their guy would affect their reelection. Here, his fate is being decided by 12 Manhattanites who have never met him and have been instructed to set aside their personal opinions on the matter.
18and have been instructed to set aside their personal opinions on the matter
I know there's a jury selection process for this but I feel like it would still be difficult to do
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How would you even pick an impartial jury in a trial like this
9You ask these questions let the lawyers sift through the answers, and then toss out people they don't like. You also excuse anybody who thinks they won't be impartial, or who is doxxed in the right-wing press and starts getting death threats.
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Fry him
7Tick Tock Donald
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