I tried last week. Bunch of stuff in my system didn't work out of the gate, trying to use fixes that were meant for slightly different hardware/distro combos broke it further. Ultimately it became trying to start over or going back to the default Windows install.
So anyway, I'm using Windows on that machine now. How's your week been?
34At least you tried! And annoying that you stumbled upon hw issues.
If you ever want to try again what about getting hold of an old drive, or try dual boot, then you can swap back to windows easily and there's less pressure for Linux to work out of the box.
As you say the guides you used didn't match, try and research more about what is the correct distro for you, and maybe start with one that looks like a sure bet.
31Guys, seriously, I know how to do this. I've installed Linux on random PCs for decades. It's not my first rodeo.
Once you turn the century it starts to get annoying when people's default stance to legit compatibility issues becomes to affect condescending patience at you. I knew how to set up a dual boot (I chose not to, instead directly booting from an external drive, which works just fine and allows you to revert by just yanking it out), I knew how to find support (the guides don't match because the laptop family I was using needs specific libraries and kernel modifications and my model is relatively rare so the tutorials aren't meant for it specifically).
I swear, the Linux community, such as it is, thinks that everybody backing off is some technically illiterate rando and mostly scared of UX differences and typing terminal commands. That's really not the case. All available Linux DEs are extremely easy to parse for both Windows and MacOs users, being able to copy/paste text to take semi-complex actions instead of digging through the visual interface saves some time and the total normies that could use this type of feedback aren't trying to do this in the first place. It's fine.
I'll try again next time I have a disposable computer that has some specific plug-and-play distro ready to go. Maybe. If I feel like it. And if I need tech help with it, I'll gladly ask. For now, though, this particular machine is back to Windows because the troubleshooting is more of a hassle than the transition is an improvement. That's the beginning and the end of this conversation, really.
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You still have Windows? Well there's your problem, you're supposed to format the entire drive when installing Linux..
7Oh, that was absolutely not my problem. The "crashing whenever it was put to sleep" part was my problem. The distro I tried was pretty good about wiping and repartitioning the drive I gave it without messing with anything else, actually. Gotta give it to Linux devs, at least at this point they fully acknowledge that "just checking this out to see if I like it" is a major use case.
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What distro did you use? and what gpu?
5Nope, we're not doing this.
I used distro "ShouldWork" and GPU "ShouldBeSupported". And given that it didn't work and wasn't supported, I didn't keep troubleshooting it, because I already have a OS install that works and requires no troubleshooting.
I would love a one click install for each of my specific devices that is reliable out of the box, but that's not the world we live in, so in this timeline that computer is back to Windows now.
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Windows runs my laptop harder, uses more battery and the fans are spinning a lot of times whist it runs almost silent in Linux. I've settled on EndeavourOS which has given me a headache-free experience for my hardware (lenovo yoga pro 7 7840hs). Only keep widows for BIOS updates otherwise I'd have nuked that hodge podge of software melange.
If you're really set on windows you could try tiny11 to remove most of the bloat.
5the fans are spinning a lot of times whist it runs almost silent in Linux
In my experience that is because Linux (or whatever part of it that’s responsible) will only start cooling if it absolutely has to. Otherwise it’s happy to cook my laptop at 92°C.
I’ve just finished reinstalling mint after applying a fix that was supposed to let me control the fans fucked up xOrg beyond repair. Multi-monitor setup is broken. On Ubuntu I couldn’t even get the Wifi to work. Manjaro refused to update packages because after installing a usual 300+ package update surge, suddenly everything was in conflict with each other. On all distros I needed to edit a config file so external speakers wouldn’t hum at full volume when no sound was playing.
Even with the supposedly ‘easy’ distros, Linux still isn’t an everyman’s operating system.
6Yeah, no, not doing that either.
I mean, yeah, Linux ran leaner and felt a bit snappier in the OS and in like-for-like loads on Firefox, but the difference is a few dB, I can certainly live with it.
I'm not "set" on anything here, if I hadn't had issues with compatibility I would have stuck with Linux on it. I really, really don't mind either for most tasks.
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Boys, I tried. But I couldn't get HDR working properly in KDE, the kernel kept randomly locking up to the point where even REISUB didn't do anything, and 95% of my GPU settings were missing from the Nvidia X Server app and I couldn't get most of them restored.
Linux users look at me like I'm insane when I ask where the RTX Video Enhancement and 3D settings are. Half the reason why I bought an RTX GPU was for the video enhancement features like SDR to HDR conversion and AI upscaling, yet these features simply don't exist in Linux. And when it comes to the 3D settings, "just change the graphics settings in-game", I've seen people say, failing to realize that the vast majority of games are missing several graphics settings that are in the 3D settings screen. I go into that menu and make tweaks before I play anything. It's a make-or-break feature for me.
I'm sorry but Linux still hasn't caught up enough with Windows yet in the gaming and HDR realm for me to commit to an OS change. But if you have an AMD GPU and don't have an HDR display, I'm sure it's a wonderful gaming experience for you. I'll check back again in another 5 years.
29You're absolutely right that Linux is still missing a lot of the features that are available on Windows. But the freedom you get with it is so worth it for me, even if my 4090 is bored most of the time.
12I just wish Linux partisans would acknowledge that Linux has serious shortcomings rather than constantly shouting about how there is literally no reason to ever use Windows.
I greatly prefer Linux for tasks like software development, but when I sit down to pay a game, I don't want to have to debug it first.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I really wanted to switch. I had Ubuntu 20.04 installed on a partition from a previous attempt to convert. Installed all the software I needed, mapped my NAS, and then hit a huge roadblock when trying to connect my laser cutter.
Found plenty of support pages that all agree on possible issues related to either drivers or dial out access, but nothing worked. I researched and tried everything I found. So many USB drivers, a few different driver and package utilities and even drivers from repositories I came across on some Chinese websites that I had to translate and appeared to be related.
I got to a point that I thought a clean install might help. Uninstalled Ubuntu 20.04, installed Mint, tried everything again, uninstalled Mint, and finally installed Ubuntu 22.04. I spent 3 full days pushing back projects trying to communicate with my laser, but finally got to the point that I was going to miss deadlines if I didn't start running projects.
Booted up Windows and had no issues connecting and running. I was even able to drag in a second windows laptop that had never been used with the laser before, and it just worked immediately.
I wish I could make the jump from Windows.
8I think most Linux users (including me) are just cheap and don't even have hdr. One of my two monitors has a dent in frame and has one DVI port and power. I think a lot of the maintainers are similar and therefore don't prioritise problems they don't have yet.
I think it's a real shame how bad the Nvidia experience can be but at this point I've found that if the drivers from the arch repos don't work nicely the flatpak ones usually will. Wayland is of course still a problem for now but hopefully not for long.
6Half the reason why I bought an RTX GPU was for the video enhancement features like SDR to HDR conversion and AI upscaling
Neither of those things have anything to do with raytracing. Well the tensor cores used for denoising in RT workloads are suitable for all kinds of AI workloads and thus also upscaling, but really it hasn't got to do anything with raytracing. Or AI in particular any GPU can do convolutions.
I don't own an nvidia card and honestly few linux users do because their driver support sucks, I'd say if nvidia advertised those features and their linux drivers don't have them your complaints should be directed at nvidia. They won't care.
Meanwhile, mpv does inverse tone mapping natively. They don't integrate AI upscaling but there's various projects providing glsl shaders which mpv can use, here's the configs for Anime4K. There's also frame interpolation around somewhere but I haven't used it in ages because variable refresh rate is the best solution to odd frame rates.
Development of X halted, the few patches that are still landing concern xwayland, don't expect anything to happen there. KDE 6.0 ships with experimental HDR support on wayland, you might not need to wait five years go give a live USB stick a spin. Arch wiki has some pointers (not that I'd be recommending arch but I am recommending their wiki).
4Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
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Let's wait for the next version of Windows, which will be distributed exclusively by paid subscription. Do you think Microsoft won't find a way to hard-cut Windows 10 and 11? We are living in an era of another economic crisis. So I'll meet you when you've learned the zen of the acronym RTFM.
-10RTFM
The battlecry of everyone that bitches that people aren’t willing to use Linux but won’t bother to meet them where they are.
Does it ever occur to you that people often don’t even know what they need to Google? Half the time I do Google something, it comes to some forum or Reddit post of someone screaming READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, but not even giving that user some hint what they’re even looking for in your religious scriptures.
You want people to use Linux? You need to meet them where they are, not take it as an opportunity to show how
smartmuch of a smartass you are.Be better than that.
12What fantasy world are you living in that you think the next version of windows will require a subcription? If you just think about that for 5 seconds, you would realise how wholly stupid that idea is, and that it's too stupid even for Microsoft.
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I'm trying a new approach. Since I won't touch anything beyond W10, and W10 is getting officially phased out, I just informed people that I won't provide tech support for W11 and beyond.
16I mean, I literally can't. I barely used W10, I just flat out am unable to provide tech support, you might get lucky and I'll figure it out but that's the best I've got.
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I really, really hate this picture. Everything is wrong with it. The pleading eyes to what can only be assumed is the adult behind the camera makes it extra bad.
14It's from a french tv documentary : https://youtu.be/Bk0iLlNTmVc?si=xptTU3Ay1cpeN2O4&t=3651
6Oh, well, if they're French
10Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/Bk0iLlNTmVc?si=xptTU3Ay1cpeN2O4&t=3651
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
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ha I already am (Android)
!i actually daily-drive fedora on my laptop!<
12But I use Linux too. I use arch
5You're fine then. That's like beating yourself.
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IT PUTS ON THE UNIX SOCKS
5Remember when that time traveler posted Gibby with a Stop Sign memes about Queen Elizabeth's death but due to the nature of butterfly effects she lived another few years? Good times.
5Remember that time we had a rock concert at area 51?
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I wish I could. I've been trying with mint but it won't boot into it except the first time. Then I had to keep formatting the usbs and one USB said it had 4 mb instead of the 32 gigs
4Sounds like you didn't prepare the USB stick correctly. Just use Balena Etcher to do it.
3I did. I followed several videos but it wouldn't boot or I had to keep formating the usb
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For me, The day of become a full Linux user is coming, now that steam os and all related projects are in a high speed .
4I am so close. Been testing on a laptop, finally got room setup to run, then I noticed more than half my vr library is not there, including apps for QoL while streaming. It is coming, but I doubt it will be before win 10 EoL and that makes me sad
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Hey if you can get my laptop to boot from a liveusb then by all means
3I'm guessing it has legacy bios which then means you need a cd/floppy.
2Back when it was relevant I would use Plop it would magically boot any machine to usb that wasn't capable yet.
2It's probably under ten years old so I didn't think of that. I assumed windows was making it more difficult somehow. Now to find a writable disc...
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As it should be. Beat it into them until they understand how superior it is to every other kernel!
2I had the most horrible experience trying to install it on an SSD, I'll ramble about it in some sub-lemmy to vent out 😭
1Obviously people won’t respond well to being forced into something unknown or intimidating.
However, if you had a way to get it in front of them, many normal PC users would be totally fine and even have a better experience. Just go with a well supported distro made for convenience and a windows-like desktop. I think ordinary Mint Cinnamon is the obvious choice to start with.
1First of all, "Read This Fine Manual." Secondly, I don't want people to use Linux. I'm not advocating anyone to use Linux, your best happiness costs $139 and that amount is included in the price of the device. Third, it's not for you to teach me good manners.
Wow, little girl saw the keyword "RTFM" and took offense....
-11Maybe you should read the manual on how to reply to a Lemmy comment
1Please do it first.
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