The clandestine lab belonged to "La Mayiza," opponents of "Los Chapitos"
Now we know who gave the order and who will be allowed to take over
Just by reading their about and their rules... Yep, that's about it.
I'm OK continuing this conversation if you bring some substance to it
You don't even read what you link, you get all pissy when someone gets tired of you missing the point since the beginning and now requests substance when you never added any?
Just how entitled to be right can you be?
Like I said, I'm done, you keep arguing whatever you want to believe I'm thinking and saying. It is irrelevant.
I wasn't, but assuming is easier than understanding
Nah, it's irrelevant, let it die
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Also the study you linked also calls the vaper's gas an aerosol, but I guess that would require actually reading and understanding instead of blindingly defending a product and ignoring my point over and over, just let it die
I’m not trying to shift the conversation, vaping is better as a replacement. Whether it’s to quit altogether or not afterwards is irrelevant.
Something being less harmful should not be taken immediatly as better... but if that's enough for you then yes, everything else is irrelevant and it explains why you are happy with just that information, I'll just leave my reply to this comment and stop wasting your time since it's irrelevant.
Irrelevant reply ahead, do not read:
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I don’t get why you say it’s not regulated because it is, at least in my country and in a lot of others.
Depends on what we call regulated, if you mean legal to sell and consume, then yes it is (well... in my country the expresident wanted to ban it to return the control to the narcos but that's besides the point).
I meant regulated as having a standard, which materials are safe to use, which chemicals are safe to use to create the aerosols, which materials are safe to use for the coil that will heat the product, if it needs to use a filter and which kind of filter and so on, and penalize brands that create harmful products.
There are a lot of research, the sources for the video you posted has some, here is another well known one.
The research you linked says further research is needed, due to many important differences in manufacture and content of every brand it's not possible to give a gold standard, recommendation or to be certain about the negative effects of the heated tobacco aerosols.
I also don’t understand why you speak about water related to vapor
Because it matters, aerosols are also a gas but they cause a different effect on the body than steam and it reeks of marketing calling it vapor because addressing it as an aerosol has a negative perception.
Also the herbs are never going to be 100% dry so they’ll have some water, creating a little bit of steam, but that’s only one of the many vaporised elements
I REALLY doubt the ammount of water the dried nugs keep inside them is enough to generate enough steam for the ammount of gas one can inhale from a dry-herb vape... as someone who one time forgot to add water to a lemongrass infusion (made the old way, adding the grass directly to the water and then boil it), I don't think what came out of that grass could have been steam past the first seconds.
why should people keep doing what we know to be worse?
This could apply to a lot of vices and it would be because it helps them cope with life (in a ver optimistic view).
Still I never said they should stick to smoking cigarettes since I've not denied once that vaping seems to actually help those who want to quit, but I guess shifting the conversation to that side sounds better for you.
And what do you call mid, long-term? Because vaping has been around long enough to have people that have been doing it for almost 20 years.
Which is worrying, if it's been around that long but it's still unregulated and with no standard about which chemicals can be used and why, what material for the coil and temperature or what kind of filter to use... but hey, it's better than smoking because we exchange smoke for aerosols... right?
I'm not against vaping to quit smoking, I think that's great, I'm against singing praises for a product that's mostly clouded by bro-sayings and marketing and low information sources (since all the comments that defend it are usually trust me, bro), BUT as we all know, if something is too good to be true it most likely isn't.
Because, hey, I'm not without vices, I use a bong for cannabis from time to time (very rarely, as a copping mechanism), I looked into the dry-herb vapes but I didn't like the part about the battery waste (yes, even if they can be replaced that's one more battery to the trash when it fails to recharge) and the induction heaters are... stupidly expensive in my country (around $9,000MXN and more) and hard to find but... I couldn't trust that people claimed it was vapor/steam because... well... you are heating dry-herb to the point it creates some sort of mist but... wtf is that mist? where the fuck is the water to make steam and call it vapor? Specially since we are talking about a herb that is consumed dried and curated/preserved on low/controlled humidity.
To date I have no idea, so I can't really trust that vaping cannabis is less damaging ONLY because there's no smoke... or they claim it isn't smoke.
Is there an Android client yet?
If not, how good/bad is the interface on web?
No, you people keep saying it's better and an improvement, the video says that it is less bad as we know right now, but also adds that there hasn't been enough studies to declare it as a fact or a standard to keep a minimum safety with all the chemicals used in them (like the filters on the cigarettes, they were added for a reason... And even with them cigarettes are terrible)
So I'm still waiting for a reason that addict A switching from smoking to vapes makes it better, since addict A don't plan on quitting. On the short-term it might be better, but mid-term or long-term what is going on with the new toxins he will inhale?
Vaping also introduces chemicals of their own and honestly calling them vapes is also wrong because what you inhale might not be smoke but it is not steam/vapor since it might or might not use clean or infused water to make steam.
When it comes to quitting, then yes, I could agree vaping is better and seems to actually help people quit, but when we are talking about people who are just switching but don't plan on quitting (which was the point I was addressing) I fail to see how going from toxic product A to toxic product B counts as an improvement, specially at this point when there's not enough studies or a standard to keep them as safe as possible.
I know... and it's not exactly an improvement.
When they are not planning to quit (which was the point I was addressing), it doesn't seem like an actual improvement.
A lot of people simply replace smoking with vaping but that's still an improvement.
Why/how is it an improvement? They are just moving from one way to consume it to another.
Depends, if we are talking about anorexia, bulimia or any eating disorder, then probably. If we are talking about naturally slim/thin women... Not that I know of.
I agree with the other guy, I love women with curves
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Can confirm, moved there and things got better but I stick to what I always say:
Think about your account as disposable, you don't know when the server might go down for whatever reason or if something changes and you don't feel comfortable there anymore.
Blocking instances at user level is pointless, they just repost to instances/communities that tolerate them and boom, you get to see their propaganda.
Also their users are encouraged to be deranged so you still have to deal with those.
It's always better to just isolate them.
I agree with you 100%, but I think the root of the problem during the reddit exodus was that people wanted to grow at any cost so they allowed reposts, low effort and bots/scripts that kept bringing in things from reddit or non-news... which honestly was a lot of things except solid content, now people are so used to those things that we don't really have anything to offer outside of those communities, the rest is just a reddit copy-paste.
There are moderation lists which honestly work better than a downvote when it comes to isolate assholes
Same goes for any other device with a lithium battery
Yes, no reason to add a new one to make the problem bigger.
Refillable vapes last quite a while at least.
Depends on how much someone uses it but it ends up adding to the already growing battery waste.