frightful_hobgoblin @ frightful_hobgoblin @lemmy.ml

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I'm studying Irish as well

Fire body for me 🔥🏋️‍♂️🔥

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Well it would be weird if I used someone else's toe to do it.

Various tribal structures have existed and still do (I'm a registered member of a clan, was clan secretary at one point) but Rousseau's bands are a fantasy with no archæological basis.

I see to reason to speculate on history when we have collective pride visible in our daily experience. Especially not to say the former is valid and the really-experienced one isn't.

You're comparing two things:

• Actually observed collective pride in nations
• Pride in hypothetical tribal bands that may have never existed

And saying the first is "silly" but the second is what we're built for.

Understanding collective pride in its actual form is less silly than pushing into some dreamed-of past.

The indo repeatedly misspelling 'Áras' tut-tut

I found this:

Canadian nationalism (French: Nationalisme canadien) has been a significant political force since the 19th century and has typically manifested itself as seeking to advance Canada's independence from the influence of the United Kingdom and United States.[1] Since the 1960s, most proponents of Canadian nationalism have advocated a form of civic nationalism that seeks to equalize citizenship for Canada's multicultural society. In particular, proponents seek to unite English-speaking Canadians with the Québécois and other French-speaking Canadians, who historically faced cultural and economic discrimination and assimilationist pressure from the English Canadian–dominated federal government.[2] Canadian nationalism became an important issue during the 1988 federal election that focused on the then proposed Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement, which Canadian nationalists opposed on the basis that it would in their view lead to the inevitable assimilation and domination of Canada by the United States.[1] During the 1995 Quebec referendum to determine whether Quebec would become a sovereign state or remain in Canada, Canadian nationalists and federalists supported the "no" side while Quebec nationalists supported the "yes" side

So 'Canadian nationalism' is about

• independence from US and UK influence
• Union with Quebec
• Civic nationalism with multiculturalism

Is visiting the same as illegally comming to a place without authorisation ? B

The way of establishing which is which is the due process.

this thread is bringing all the Thatcherites out

https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=XnXKVY-_i2c

jealousy

You don’t have “second hand pride with extra narrative on top” from people that died long before you were born

The individualists in this thread are saying:

• Your personal conduct didn't form your nation
• And personal conduct is the only valid source of pride
• Therefore you can't be proud of your nation

And I don't agree with the 2nd premise at all. People are social beings and there's lots of examples of collective pride.

lol

You think I think you're a

Most people don't take it as a cultural dogma that the individual is the be-all-and-end-all

If you're an angry autist with that cultural dogma, I'm not gonna try talk you out if it. Most people find it easy to be proud of their ancestors or family or country.

Suffers from the same individualism as some other comments.

Most people know how to be proud of things outside their small self. It's only that Protestant individualist mindset that denies the reality of the collective, and with it collective pride.

https://hunter.io/

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/the-worst-magazine-in-america

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