Norwegian tourist claims he was 'strip searched' before being denied entry to US over JD Vance meme on phone
Norwegian tourist claims he was 'strip searched' before being denied entry to US over JD Vance meme on phone
Norwegian tourist claims he was 'strip searched' before being denied entry to US over JD Vance meme on phone
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The US is not safe to travel to and you do not have a legitimate reason to travel there now. Keep this in your mind regardless of what reason you think contradicts this. It is not safe.
As an American, seconded.
I'm trapped here, don't YOU risk being kidnapped and trapped here or sent somewhere worse just because you wanted to see the Grand Canyon.
Do they really want me to be trapped? 😮 might go to El Salvador, but trapped?
I'm brown with a thick beard, so I'm used to being "naturally suspicious and prone to explosion" whenever I am within a 5 km distance of an airport. Yet US airports would scare the shit out of me
Brown like south Italians?
Definitely seen south Italians darker than me 😂 but coupled with "exotic looks" and the ability to actually tan it's definitely plenty to produce the "terrorist look" and stand out in Scandinavia
Well yeah, if you're trapped in one of our many prisons, you get to look forward to slave labor! Slavery is perfectly legal and constitutional, as per the 13th amendment.
I am honestly wondering how long it will be before you are eligible for refugee claims in the world with the state of affairs in your country. You aren't trapped though! Come to Canada! We have a bunch of issues now, but it will be a breathe of fresh air compared to the issues you face.
Of only it was that simple
Why isn't it that simple? People leave their countries for a better life everyday. If the situation is as bad as claimed I can see no reason why regardless of complexity it isn't the option chosen.
It isn’t simple. Most people I know who have moved to other countries hired an immigration attorney to help. It’s not cheap. Also, you can’t just show up in Canada and get a job. There is a legal process that must be followed. If you don’t have employment with a work visa ahead of time, you have to show proof you have the savings to live without working until you find a job to enter the country to look for work there. Many people don’t have months of expenses in an emergency account to lean on. Lots of impediments.
It isn’t simple. Most people I know who have moved to other countries hired an immigration attorney to help. It’s not cheap. Also, you can’t just show up in Canada and get a job. There is a legal process that must be followed. If you don’t have employment with a work visa ahead of time, you have to show proof you have the savings to live without working until you find a job to enter the country to look for work there. Many people don’t have months of expenses in an emergency account to lean on. Lots of impediments.
Do you think any of this should matter to someone who needs to flee a country for their safety? Do you know how many people need to do such things on a regular basis? Why do you believe Americans are different?
You see, her CDs are in his truck.
Lack of financials, knowledge, and support? "If the situation is as bad as claimed" is crazy tbh.
That sounds a lot like the conditions for people who leave other countries for a better life.
Americans are not used to being in this position and are freezing in place. They tell themselves it’s “to fight” and to reclaim the country, but they ignore the reality that this could be a bleak path for ostensibly decades upon decades.
The lesson of 1933 is you get out. But lots of Americans won’t because they have never liked history or valued it.
You aren't trapped though! Come to Canada!
And this is how we achieved a population greater than what our housing can support. Unless you’re ready to fork over 1200-2k a month for a 1 bedroom & 1 bathroom then I would advise against this.
ooo, ten years ago prices
you can support. it's just your politicians holding back the access to land for new development to satisfy some voters and backers that make a lot of money through property price increases. if there was really any will to solve the problem politicians would have relaxed land use regulations
You should take a peak on what people in the US have to deal with before you go shitting on Canada.
That also isn't how we got into a housing crisis. That was because the Government stopped building houses, and turned real estate into the monster of an investment vehicle it is today.
People are already forking over that kind of money in the US, and have been for years.
Some people only learn by pain, apparently.
I mean, that would have been an accurate description of me at age 21
I don't know about pain, but the hard way really is the best teacher. People can tell you things until they are blue in the face, you'll shrug, and when the time comes you may find out what they were talking about. But it will only make sense at that point! Sometimes it can go another way. Sometimes.
I have a friend who's going there this weekend. Landing in Orlando, and will be driving to LA. I told him to be very careful!
Orlando to LA? Are they crazy or dumb?
Yes.
Flying in from outside the US during this time to then attempt to drive all the way across the South
Both. It's both. I hope they stay safe. There are like 4 different major threats to a foreigner on that route.
Just out of curiosity I know it’s a super long drive but are there like places there where it’s not safe? Have never been to the US
In the South? Yes, definitely.
Currently speaking, your biggest problems in the American South right now as a foreign tourist are going to be local racism and ICE. The local racism has been around forever and is mostly tolerable if you don't take offense easily, but you can probably expect to be called some slurs right to your face in more than a few small towns. ICE is a newer and probably bigger problem at the moment. They have orders from the president to capture and deport more people than they will possibly be able to accomplish, so anyone who looks or sounds foreign and doesn't have three forms of ID on them to prove citizenship is increasingly likely to get bagged, tagged, and dragged to a blacksite somewhere. I'm not confident that a tourist visa (or even a work visa) is going to stop them, it's already been proven that actual valid citizenship doesn't stop them.
In general I think they're mostly referring to the fact that the U.S is ridiculously BIG. Like, most visitors freak out at how long you can drive through almost nothing here, when going between major population areas.
Driving through wilderness without a lot of extra water and a cellular connection, and maybe a spare tire, for example, is foolhardy.
Along the way, especially in "The South", you'll find the loveliest, kindest people, but you'll also find various, (probably politically motivated, lately) sadists/racists/bullies, some of which may be small-town law enforcement looking for excitement.
The law can be more "flexible" without major oversight in such places, and with the cult of the orange tyrant emboldening the prejudiced lately, that could spell trouble.
There's also various kinds of unsavory types as you'd find in any other country; I'm talking criminals, swindlers, and various weirdos of ill intent, and some stretches of the country are remote. Like, "no signal and it goes on and on in all directions until you see the earth curve" remote.
The vast majority of people are lovely, and would probably welcome and appreciate foreigners, the worst you'd deal with is getting a migraine from stupid but friendly questions about your accent or where you're from.
But like anywhere else, you need your wits about you.
In short:
Lovely place where many sights and adventures can be had! The biggest dangers are the roads and wilderness, basically.
Setting aside the anomalous political tensions right now, the biggest danger to travelers to this country is seeing it as a big theme park where they can't possibly put themselves in any danger. Your average park rangers have plenty of horror stories about that, I'm sure, like idiots trying to selfie in front of buffalo or stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, or falling into Yellowstone's tranquil but literally boiling hot springs...
Don't be that tragic idiot . . .and you'll likely have a fantastic time.
Hope this helps. :)
Thanks a lot, this is super helpful actually! Couldn’t imagine driving through areas for hours without reception or any signs of civilization, sounds kinda exciting and scary at the same time. Will definitely keep this saved
I'm glad I could be helpful!
Thankfully, the cell signal situation has improved a LOT among major routes in recent years, so I hope it doesn't sound too scary. There's also safety in numbers, at the very least the buddy system! :)
There's a lot of online information / guides for travelers, and of course, get a U.S SIM card and check who's got the best/broadest service areas where you'll be going. Also, offline maps can be downloaded to your device as well.
(But learning to use a paper one is always an excellent skill to have!)
In case of an emergency, phones can still usually reach 911 (our emergency services number) if they can reach a cell tower at all, regardless of "subscription", if that's of any comfort. :)
I wish your friend safety in their travels!
I wish your friend safety in their travels!
Lol what degree of douchebag would downvote your comment, holy cow LOL.
I sincerely commend the positivity and kindness you've been bringing to this thread with warmly inviting people to flee to Canada.
Edit: Although maybe you're being a bit harsh further down. :( It doesn't have to be so personal? People are just discussing stuff. Let's not let the decisions of stupid men in power deter us from productive discussion.
I’m a Christian Anarchist myself...
Yeah... Nah...
Heh, it's cool, that's your right.
I hope you have a good one. <3
you do not have a legitimate reason to travel there now.
My parents live here 💀
I live here 💀💀
Damn. So sorry.
The key word is "travel" thus excluding you and your family from the warning. Now go fix your shit instead of crying to someone who cannot.
But if I leave the country for any reason I have to come back. So then I have to travel into the country.
Also that's kind of an aggressive response for what I meant to be kind of a jokey comment?
But if I leave the country for any reason I have to come back.
You don't, and that has nothing to do with traveling to the US from another country, so that is why you get the "aggressive" response because I am tired of Americans chiming in with "Jokes" when their country is a fucking hell hole that is impacting everyone else.
Leave, fix your shit, or stop crying to people negatively impacted by your people without adding anything meaningful to the conversation.
I am tired of Americans chiming in with "Jokes" when their country is a fucking hell hole that is impacting everyone else.
Go through my post history. I'm literally an anarchist. I literally hate America and I literally want to abolish it. I am perfectly aware of how disgusting American influence is on the world—that's why I'm making jokes about it. Joking about it is how some people cope with the crushing reality of capitalism. And honestly I thought these two comments were kinda tame.
You literally aren't an Anarchist because you are literally living under the boot of a dictatorship. You likely wouldn't survive an anarchist society, but you will grow out of that idea eventually I am sure.
You literally aren't an Anarchist because you are literally living under the boot of a dictatorship.
No that's not how it works. Anarchists are people who advocate for the abolition of all authorities and hierarchies, including but not limited to the State, capitalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. You don't have to currently live in an anarchist society to be an anarchist.
You likely wouldn't survive an anarchist society, but you will grow out of that idea eventually I am sure.
Well no I wouldn't survive because everyone dies 😆. But I wouldn't advocate for anarchism if I thought I was going to have a bad time.
But I want to gently push back against the "Mad Max" notion of "anarchy" that I think you're working with. Most forms of anarchism actually call for people to work together, to form groups to get stuff done but without the violence inherent in the State and the inequalities of capitalism that States inevitably reinforce.
For more information, see Section A.1 of the Anarchist FAQ.
I like the way you explain your Anarchist stances. I'm a Christian Anarchist myself, and see anarchism as a society in a similar light as personally trying to be like Jesus: It may be a state of perfection we, in our imperfections, cannot attain, but if everyone was trying their best towards a cooperative society free of authoritarian hierarchal peepee-swinging, maybe things would be much better overall.
Daring to believe in a better world and exert whatever influence we have to do so, takes a strong inner fire, and a lot of people miss the point when they think we just wanna tear it all down without a plan and start from scratch next week and it would all be unicorns and rainbows overnight.
I like the way you explain your Anarchist stances.
Thank you. I try my best. God bless.
No that’s not how it works. Anarchists are people who advocate for the abolition of all authorities and hierarchies, including but not limited to the State, capitalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. You don’t have to currently live in an anarchist society to be an anarchist.
I know what Anarchists are, which is why I said one day you will grow out of it. As long as you abide by the laws and systems of the things you "advocate against" you are nothing more than a hypocrite like all other Anarchists.
Well no I wouldn’t survive because everyone dies 😆. But I wouldn’t advocate for anarchism if I thought I was going to have a bad time.
You are advocating for something that wouldn't last, and would be a bad time for most involved. The idea of Anarchy may sound cool to you, but if you bring it to its logical conclusion it fails immediately. There is a reason why Anarchy didn't embed itself as the default after we started forming larger and larger groups.
But I want to gently push back against the “Mad Max” notion of “anarchy” that I think you’re working with. Most forms of anarchism actually call for people to work together, to form groups to get stuff done but without the violence inherent in the State and the inequalities of capitalism that States inevitably reinforce.
Whatever idea of Anarchy that you are working with is misinformed. The state formed as a product of people grouping up and requiring structures and rules for everyone to coexist as peacefully as possible. If your idea of Anarchy is "Everyone works together to get stuff done without violence inherent in the state and the inequalities of capitalism" we have a name for that and it is called "Socialism".
I know what Anarchists are, which is why I said one day you will grow out of it.
No I won't lmao. Been going strong for ~15 years, and the older I get and the more I learn about the world and the more I experience life, the more I believe that anarchism is the best framework for analyzing and synthesizing a society that's good for everyone.
As long as you abide by the laws and systems of the things you "advocate against" you are nothing more than a hypocrite like all other Anarchists.
By that logic, I should start murdering and killing random civilians because it's in opposition to the law. Of course not! Not literally all laws are completely wrong. But I 1000% do not give a fuck about the letter of the law for the things I actually want to do.
If your idea of Anarchy is "Everyone works together to get stuff done without violence inherent in the state and the inequalities of capitalism" we have a name for that and it is called "Socialism".
Yes exactly, that's why some people use the term libertarian socialism to describe anarchism and its relatives! (Notice the little "l"; I obviously condemn the "Libertarian" Party and right-wing "Libertarians".) I will happily identify as a socialist, but "anarchist" is a bit more precise.
The rest of your talking points are directly answered in the Anarchist FAQ previously linked, and they did a much better job than I possibly could.
But let's get back to where we started. I am no fan of America even though I live here. As an anarchist, I am painfully aware of and vocal about how evil an entity America is. You don't need to be an anarchist to come to that conclusion, but I brought it up only because it's sufficient to come to the conclusion that America is evil (if not necessary). But more importantly: just because I live in America does not mean I have no right to vent.
And I would be a lot more quiet if you were from Palestine or Iran or one of the various countries America has bombed into the stone age, or even from the inner city or one of the reservations inside the US. I could absolutely sympathize with them being rude to me. I'd agree with them and take it. I'm an anarchist, and I'm accustomed to reading material written with a confrontational tone; half our modern anarchist literature is just people yelling at the reader 😆.
But you're from Canada. Canada is just as complicit as the United States in the vast majority of the suffering we inflict on the world. And y'all are just as shitty to your indigenous population as we are.
And I've been noticing a distinctly...pro-Canada stance in your recent comment history...
If Americans have nothing to be proud of ...WHICH WE DO NOT... AMERICANS HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF ...then Canadians have almost nothing to be proud of. Yeah your healthcare system and social services are slightly less shit for white people, but Canada is still a settler-colonialist, capitalist, racist project that needs to be abolished.
Like if I should feel bad for living in America, then by taking your logic to its logical conclusion YOU should be ashamed about living in Canada.
Which you shouldn't. You were born there or were brought there. It's not your fault.
And to be completely clear: I reject national pride overall. National pride is for people who have nothing real to be proud of.
By that logic, I should start murdering and killing random civilians because it’s in opposition to the law. Of course not! Not literally all laws are completely wrong. But I 1000% do not give a fuck about the letter of the law for the things I actually want to do.
By that logic, you aren't the only person in the world and a not so small amount of people are all about that life.
And I would be a lot more quiet if you were from Palestine or Iran or one of the various countries America has bombed into the stone age, or even from the inner city or one of the reservations inside the US. I could absolutely sympathize with them being rude to me. I’d agree with them and take it. I’m an anarchist, and I’m accustomed to reading material written with a confrontational tone; half our modern anarchist literature is just people yelling at the reader
A racist Anarchist? Well I never!
But you’re from Canada. Canada is just as complicit as the United States in the vast majority of the suffering we inflict on the world. And y’all are just as shitty to your indigenous population as we are.
And I’ve been noticing a distinctly…pro-Canada stance in your recent comment history…
Canada has much to be ashamed of, and much more to be proud of. We most certainly do not treat our Indigenous population like you do. We also do a lot of good around the world. There is a reason why we have so many allies.
I am not ashamed to be Canadian, and I am proud to be Canadian. I am also proud of being Greek. Regardless of the history of both.
If Americans have nothing to be proud of …WHICH WE DO NOT… AMERICANS HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF …then Canadians have almost nothing to be proud of. Yeah your healthcare system and social services are slightly less shit for white people, but Canada is still a settler-colonialist, capitalist, racist project that needs to be abolished.
We have much to be proud of in Canada. Feel free to explain how one "abolishes" a country full of people born and raised here from all over the world.
Like if I should feel bad for living in America, then by taking your logic to its logical conclusion YOU should be ashamed about living in Canada.
Which you shouldn’t. You were born there or were brought there. It’s not your fault.
I choose to live here because I like my country. I am proud of that choice. Just like you choose to live in the US and play pretend freedom fighter.
And to be completely clear: I reject national pride overall. National pride is for people who have nothing real to be proud of.
To be completely clear: Obviously, "Anarchist". That is exactly what people say when they have nothing to be proud of in their country.
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