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Israeli soldiers who drove with wounded Palestinian tied to their vehicle 'violated orders', military says

www.abc.net.au Israeli soldiers who drove with wounded Palestinian tied to their vehicle 'violated orders', military says

Israeli soldiers tied a wounded Palestinian to their vehicle and drove him through the city of Jenin as Palestinians filmed the incident.

World News @lemmy.world Israeli soldiers who drove with wounded Palestinian tied to their vehicle 'violated orders', military says

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Most moral army in the world, guys.

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- They really care about (terrorizing) civilians
  
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It's amazing how often the Israeli military does that. They're all just Mavericks. Loose cannons. Not you know in the heroic kind of way where they defy orders to save their comrades or rescue civilians though. In the commit war crimes type of way.

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- Can you be more specific? What do you mean by It's amazing how often the Israeli military does that? Are there any other recent instances where they tied people on the hoods of vehicles?
  
  The article states they did stuff like this in the second intifada but were banned from doing so by the Israeli Supreme Court. Although there have been "reports" of similar incidents since then.
  
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  Based on the rest of the comment, I think they were referring to how often members of the Israeli military defy orders.
  
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  I'm sorry that the IDF war crimes have been creatively diverse enough that they don't need to do the same exact thing twice for your liking.
  
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  And now we have so-called "videos" of them doing it. Before you know it, there'll be actual "proof" and stuff.
  
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They did violate orders. They were ordered to not get caught.

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- "Please only torture innocent people whom you hate because of the location of their birth outside of the view of cameras."
  
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Their orders were to drag them.

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Let's keep adding more war crimes to the list. Oh and have video proof for the whole world to watch for-EVER.

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who the fuck are these psychopaths in the IDF?

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- What else would you expect when they're brainwashed into thinking their neighbors are animals/barbarians who just want to kill them
  
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- Average IOF soldier.
  
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  More like IGF
  
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- You remember when people were confused where ISIS people come from? It is the same for the IDF.
  
  When you tell people they can get citizenship, a home, and some free stuff. People who agree are not normal. People who stay are not normal, and considering morally ethical people would not participate or leave, you end up with immoral, inhumane with latest weapons who are ready to kill their own anytime. These people don’t care because they believe their leaders will protect them and maybe good will reward them.
  
  Now add to that the scum who for 7 or 8 month still giving them the support. I put them in the same level of inhumane, low for of people, losers.
  
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Yes. They were clearly ordered to not get caught.

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It's that because their orders were "kill them all, take no prisoners"?

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Is this "IDF terrorists using Palestinian as human shield" or "IDF rushing wanted man for medical treatment" or both?

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- A civilian got shot, likely by Israel. They, strapped him to the hood, prevented the Palestinian ambulances from taking him, drove away and then ditched the guy. So just the Human shield part.
  
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  The very article that's used states they took him to a hospital and he was a suspected militant.
  
  Now this is Israel's report but you can't just hand wave facts and statements.
  
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- I appreciate you actually engaging with this in good faith unlike the other lemmings (fitting lol) here.
  
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  I bet. Bad faith actors love being taken at face value.
  
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Utterly disgusting, reprehensible, unforgivable

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Orders were probably to finish them off

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- Or not to get caught.
  
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I wonder if the actual order is "don't bring in wounded Palestinians, just shoot them and drop them by the wayside".

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modern day SS

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The orders must have been kill on sight.

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Guys guys guys calm down, they were just driving him to the hospital and they had no room left in the car for him to lay down.

/s

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I don't understand how it can be a "human shield". Why doesn't the other truck have a person attached? Why is he positioned in a way that protects very little? Why would they take their human shield to a hospital for treatment?

And, conversely, why are you guys using razor precision on this one incident when Hamas literally, and exclusively, uses human shields and actually targets civilians.

Please don't just say some dumb crap about "hurr it's never good for any side to do this" - please entertain the questions or don't even bother. Your side is as morally bankrupt as it is misinformed. If you feel like *downvoting ~~downloading~~ I'd appreciate a comment as well.

Edit: typo

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- He is positioned the way he is due to the “slatted” design of the humvee grill. Because of that, you’d either have to have them down there or up on the actual hood. You don’t want a human shield squirming on the hood because the humvee sight lines are already bad so if you were the kind of war criminal that’s also practical, this would be where you would put them.
  
  The rest of your questions are horrific. This one is too, but at least there’s an answer.
  
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  So everything I'm reading/seeing says there's some facts on this matter:
  
  The IDF said this was a suspected militant injured in a firefight
  
  The IDF gave this person to the Red Crescent
  
  Israel said they're "looking into this matter and will deal with this accordingly
  
  The speculation is that they were using him as a human shield. I, and everyone else for that matter, don't know this for absolute certainty. We can both agree that this is a rather crude way of transporting an injured person at best or a deliberate war crime at worst. Your opinion about the placement is mere speculation and kind of stupid if I'm being honest.
  
  I'll be back later to edit this comment when more facts come out and they charge (or not) this individual(s) with war crimes. I wish I could say the same about the other side and the people that support them.
  
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My final comment is agnostic to all the liberal and delusional fuckwads. This war is real. And terrorism must be defeated. Take up arms and fight. Look around you. The west has been brainwashed by the media, but they don't live your life. You alone hold the power.

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- This is the West Bank where there is currently not a war going on, ya ding dong.
  
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  It's just a special operation. Nothing to see there.
  
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- do you defeat terrorism by terrorizing an entire group of people into becoming terrorists themselves? Is that how you defeat terrorism? you fucking clown?
  
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- And terrorism must be defeated.
  
  I agree. Israel must be stopped.
  
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- slow clap
  
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Ok. Lesson learned. When someone tries to kill me, if they lose the fight and need medical attention, I'll leave them on the street.

At least then I won't be viewed as inhumane.

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- Have you seen the video?
  
  They put the person in front of the car.
  
  You don't strap a person you intend to help with ropes to the outside of the car
  
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  Have you ever fought in a war? Because if you haven't, then you really can't understand the decisions that warfighters make in the moment.
  
  That's the problem with most of these people. You all seem to think that when you're actively engaged in a conflict you'll exercise a degree of judgement that exists in a completely different world.
  
  And if you haven't fought in a conflict and tried to save the very person that's shot at you, then you have absolutely no room to judge.
  
  I've served for 18 years in several conflicts. And I always operate in a manner that ensures that I come home every night to my family. So yeah, I don't blame those guys for strapping that asshat to the hood.
  
  You have no right to judge these people for operating in a warzone and SAVING LIVES OF THEIR ADVERSARY if you haven't looked the guy who is trying to kill you in the face.
  
  So fuck all of you for assuming that strapping a murderer to a hood to transport them to medical is somehow inhumane.
  
  Fight a war, watch children die, and then come at me with your laughable morals. That guy was lucky someone strapped him up. Because I would have killed him. And I would expect that if you saw a 6 year old get ragdolled across concrete and then scooped her brains up so her father could give her a a funeral, you'd think differently too. But you sit here behind your keyboard and judged like some sort of moral authority.
  
  I'm speaking from literal personal experience. Hand a father his child's brains. Then look me in the eye and tell me that strapping the responsible murderer to a hood and transporting him to a hospital is an immoral decision. You can't. But you can insult and disparage the Israeli soldiers like you somehow have the high ground. You all have absolutely no idea what is happening on the ground if you haven't been there.. but you all circle jerk in your own little echo chamber.
  
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- So, which order did they violate, according to the Israeli leadership? Trying to give the guy medical attention?
  
  I especially liked your comment further down, though, about how you immediately characterize the guy, in civilian, strapped to the hood of a jeep like a fucking trophy deer, as "a murderer." You've got shit-all knowledge about this person; they could have been a journalist, a medic, but since it's Israeli soldiers driving the jeep, he's immediately a "murderer."
  
  Your biggotry is showing, there, Rambo.
  
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- The IDF was preventing the ambulances from taking the guy. A video of the event exists.
  
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