Video appears to show gang-rape of Afghan woman in a Taliban jail
Video appears to show gang-rape of Afghan woman in a Taliban jail
Activist claims she was threatened with release of the footage in order to silence her, amid multiple reports of sexual violence inflicted upon imprisoned Afghan women
Is this the so called morality police?
41No, this is the Taliban of Afghanistan. The Islamic Republic of Iran has Morality Police. A different flavor of terrible.
13That's an iranian thing.
4No, it's a religious fundamentalist thing and is hardly unique to Iran.
If anything, the Iranian version is relatively more moderate then their counterparts in places that practice forms of Sunni fundamentalism like Saudi Arabia, or Afghanistan.
Not trying to pretend the Iranian morality police are good, or reasonable, but relative to those other two examples, they aren't as bad. Which is saying something, since they are clearly awful in their own right.
Although to be fair, it might be less philosophical or theological reasoning that account for those differences, and just more the practical reality that Iranian women generally have more rights than those in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.
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This is how they find their wives
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Imagine being so fucking stupid that you rape women, record the rape on a shitty smartphone, and you actually think that video works as blackmail...against the women. Alright, bet. Maybe it does, but the premise is just absurd.
"You stop talking about us being pieces of shit, or we'll widely share documented evidence of us being pieces of shit."
Take every man in the video, and the guy recording. Line them up. Shoot them in the head. Oh and be sure to record it on a shitty smartphone, or don't, nobody cries when an asshole dies.
37In their culture the woman and her family are blamed if she is 'disgraced'. Her family is ostracized by other families in the community, making it harder for the men to find or keep jobs and do business, and the social connections of the mother's or other women in that family will be shunned making it difficult to find support during times of distress like illness, pregnancy and births, and even aquirimg food. Marrying off kids to other families will become more difficult if not impossible potentially ending the family line. The community support centers, or mosques, will turn them away. Siblings and relatives will distance themselves. If you want to destroy a family, destroy their women.
In childish terms, they now have cooties, 'ew get away from me'. I don't put it that way to be insensitive, I only intend to help some understand. Kids have a way of getting to the core of our social rules in order to understand how to navigate them.
12What do you mean by "alright, bet"?
3"Alright, sure"
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Oh, I got an idea. Let's bomb the shit out of them, including a bunch of weddings, reinvade, and install another heroin kingpin as President.
Look, the Taliban is shit and these stories are truly horrific, but where was the coverage of Afghanistan the last 10 years?
Whenever I read these stories, all I see, aside from the obvious human misery and evil, is a media class that is continually trying to rewrite history to somehow justify the failure that was the 20 year occupation, and discredit the withdrawal.
I hope this woman gets justice and I hope things improve for women in Afghanistan. But I also want the Western audiences not to be the blinded by the sinister intent that is behind a lot of the Western Afghanistan media coverage.
Not because they should dismiss this women's story, or those like hers, but so they don't forget what a failure the NATO adventure in Afghanistan was. So they don't believe that the next war, should go on forever, or that expeditionary military force and occupation can be used to improve women's rights.
27Pakistani kingpin
7I feel you. Been fighting that war half my life.
Counterpoint. This horrific story could emotionally trigger and activate anger in those who've never been exposed, as horrible as it is after all this time.
Am I naive?
6This article is about the plight of afghani women and you've instead shifted away from the victims to cry about NATO. Can we not discuss anything without running unprompted to the comments to cry about how the US didn't make this issue any better?
We don't need a comment on every article about how the us bad, we need comments related to the actual article. This is why so many people around the world talk about how americans act like they are the entire world. This article isn't even from an american outlet.
Like seriously... Can we not condemn the absolute horrid treatment of women without making the conversation about the west?? Why is that so hard? These things are related deeply to culture, history, religion and that should be allowed to be discussed.
2This article is about manufacturing consent for the next foreign war.
For the last decade of occupation, at least, the Taliban controlled all the tribal regions, which is the majority of the nation. Do you think these crimes against humanity were not occurring then?
So how come now, after the withdrawal and end of the occupation, are news organizations suddenly devoting so much masthead to covering them?
People tend to believe that propaganda means lies, but the most effective propaganda is the truth. It's putting out information that is designed to elicit a specific emotional response or reaction. That is what this torrent of post withdrawal Afghanistan articles are about.
How much coverage has been devoted to women's rights versus the American post withdrawal policy freezing Afghanistan bank accounts to repay victims of 9/11? A policy that was directly linked to famines and food insecurity across the country.
That is serious question and my point isn't some reductive America is bad argument. It's that only one of those stories advances a pro-western military intervention narrative.
I will repeat what I already said, the story of that women is horrific and the Taliban is full of evil sadistic pieces of shit. But that is exactly why those narratives have been selected, because they help condition Western readers to be ready for the next foreign war.
If you don't believe me, look through all of the replies here that are using the emotional resonance of that woman as justification for military occupation.
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Basically, the entire 20 year war resulted in everything going back to how they were at the start.
22In a lot of ways it's disappointing.
8I would say in every way. It was basically pointless. We even proved it only took a small force to get Bin Laden. And not in Afghanistan.
If the war had to happen, it should have ended once the coalition knew Bin Laden had left the country.
19Not if you're a defense contractor. Now they have more money than the government and tell it what to do. Isn't capitalism great?!
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Very disgusting but not shocking knowing the Taliban.
22This is the best summary I could come up with:
In the video recording viewed by the Guardian and Rukhshana Media, the young woman is filmed being told to take off her clothes and is then raped multiple times by two men.
Last week the Guardian published accounts of teenage girls and young women who said that they were sexually assaulted and beaten after being detained under Afghanistan’s draconian hijab laws.
In one case, a woman’s body was allegedly found in a canal a few weeks after she had been taken into custody by Taliban militants, with a source close to her family saying she had been sexually abused before her death.
Since they took power in August 2021, the Taliban have imposed what human rights groups are calling a “gender apartheid” on Afghanistan’s 14 million women and girls, excluding them from almost every aspect of public life.
The Guardian and Rukhshana Media spoke with multiple other female protestors and activists who have also come forward to allege that they have been tortured and beaten after being arrested for calling for women’s rights.
“They gave electric shocks and hit parts of my body with cables so that I would not be able to show in front of the camera tomorrow,” she said, adding that she had been tortured into admitting to taking money from foreigners to protest against the Taliban.
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14Omg why would Biden do this?!
7Why would she do this to them!?
5It's hard for westerners to understand honor based moral codes, but that's exactly how it works. You can disgrace someone's honor by doing bad things to them and it's not really a fault thing, it's more about protecting honor and it's preservation a virtue.
This is how honor killings work, it's part of systems designed to restore individual or family honor by killing someone who is disgraced.
There are several models of morality, not just the individualist morality models we understand intuitively.
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