And people wonder why I have a hard time believing Christianity
And people wonder why I have a hard time believing Christianity
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18423698
Or, to put it in words:
"Christianity didn't become a world religion because of the quality of its teachings, but by the quantity of its violence" - Eleanor Ferguson
25you could literally completely remove the context of history and all the fucked up shit therein, and the religion of christianity would STILL be laughably absurd on the face of it
24Just in case anyone thought this could use more jpeg:
14thanks just what i needed
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No enough kid diddling in that bottom picture.
13That comes with having giant institutions that can bury kid-diddling, and do so in the name of preserving their reputation. In consequence, the edifice is more important than innocent human lives.
I suspect the same edifice is what sends crusaders and militarized missions.
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Lol this is exactly how they teach "how we accepted Islam" in turkish history classes. They say our previous religion (tengrism) was really similar to Islam and so we just... idk... converted to Islam?
In reality tengrism is nowhere near similar to Islam and we had to accept converting to islam after years of wars and unending oppression by muslims
8It's 2024 and we still have wars on religions. Sigh. And why we still don't have atheist political leaders yet.
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Nobody does, it's a dead cult
5For what it’s worth, Buddhism was similarly spread by Ashoka.
It’s likely all religion has been spread by violence.
3Except it's the other way around. Ashoka gave up conquering after he converted to Buddhism.
6Atheists hate this one simple trick (converting monarchs and emperors to your faith).
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I'm sure there have been minor incidents, but as far as I know Sikhism comes to mind as a religion that doesn't have blood on its hands.
3While it’d be unfair to compare Sikhs to crusaders, it’s not like there weren’t Sikh states at war (especially with the Mughals. And, uh, the British East India company.)
It’s also important to note much of the Sikh militarism was brought out of self defense- persecution by Muslims and Hindus in particular were pervasive throughout their history; and the handful of states that were specifically Sikh, were mostly short lived.
Suffice it to say, it’s a very modern concept that religions were supposed to be peaceful. For most of history, religion was as much a part of national identity as it was fervent beliefs.
This isn’t to say that members in those religions can’t be absolutely peaceful.
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The Baha'is haven't used violence, they also don't proselytize.
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It was also done by murdering, massacring, and forcibly converting my Jewish ancestors. There's a reason why my entire extended family is small (people forget that the Holocaust was done for and by Christians).
0It's based as fu..k. Jewish people don't remember that in Rome until the pact of Constantine only Jewish religion were recognized as religion not Christianity. Christians have been being massacred in Roman edicts for at least one or two centuries. Papal states didn't gain also quickly influence on whole world so secular kings didn't have to follow their rules. Only during early and late middle ages, Papal kingdom did start to abuse their influence and enforce their rules on the other religions ( mainly Jewish which WERE ENGAGED in slave trade routes via Prague, it was a main slave route in early middle ages, on behalf of Ottoman Empire or other Muslim kingdoms ). Also Catholics ( or rather mainly secular kings of catholic countries ) are not all Christians. There were plenty of Christians in the middle east or Byzantium ). Catholics didn't start the war with Muslims, it was started by Muslims themselves. Who conquered first Christian Spain? Crusades were by all means defensive war in the early stages. I recommend you learning history first ( I feel minuses though )
-4I recommend you learning history first
Holy Irony Batman.
The down votes are because you didn't learn actual history, and are spouting antisemitic lies.
Please explain how the crusades were defensive? Christians in Europe going over to the Middle East, and attempting to start shit, but ultimately baking in their armor, isn't defensive. Do you also call Russia's invasion of Ukraine defensive?
6'Antisemitic lies' because not comfortable? Standard argument "et hitlerum" by mentioning Russia - Ukraine conflict. Did you miss my argument about Muslim invasion on christian Spain? Did you miss muslim conquest of Jerosolima? Did you miss musljm conquest of Bysantium ( current Istambul ) and converting all churches into mosques like the most known Hagia Sophia cathedral? Did you miss Ottoman Empire enslaving of christians. Also there is no doubts Ottoman Empire ( and not only ) Jewish were deeply involved in slavery and overrepresented in this activity ( by ethnic composition of particular countries ). There are plenty of books on this topic and you still call it "lies". Maybe something more modern? Jewish mafia "Zwi Migdal" making profit on prostitution and human trafficking in Poland, Argentina, Brasil, South Africa and United States. I could bring all the historical facts for hours but simply enough you don't want to accept the historical truth
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Christianity saved many lives for slavery. If you think back to Roman empire, this was build on human bodies. Many slaves from conquered countries working on farms and construction sites for Governmental sake. Even Romans could fell to slavery through debts. Unfortunately, it poor countries it still happens that parents sell their kids or even sell themselves (think about Bangladeshis, Bhirmese or Pakistani in Emirates, Khatar or Thailand) That way of society was stopped by Christianity. Btw Islam, Buddism, and Confucianism stopped it as well.
You might argue that slavery was active in the New World. Yes, indeed and it was against the Christianity. Out of this moral dilemma the European thinkers „invented“ Rassism to make slaves non human and being able to resell slaves from Africa to Americas. And guess who sold the slaves in Africa to the European merchants?
I know this is outside your comfort zone of thinking. It’s just a little brain gymnastic for you.
-17I have some news for you. The Spanish state, its church, and its representatives did a LOT of enslaving of the Native Americans. The missions that pepper California and Mexico were almost entirely dependent on the labor of enslaved natives, and they were horrifically brutal about it, too. In a book I have on the subject, there's an example of one priest who complained about how the natives were treated, and he was summarily relocated. So, Christianity had an enormous role in enslaving and murdering native Americans, and it had nothing to do with Merchants.
17You didn’t get my point that I didn’t neglect it. I just mentioned that it also saved Europe of being enslaved by ancient Roman Empire.
Later Christianity changed it‘s view on slaves and invented Rassism for put Africans and American natives into slavery. Ever heard of Spanish-born of French men slaves in Americas?
And to make it even less black/white or god/bad, some more nuances: Habe you heard of Munch armies in Americas? Or were it soldiers? Do you draw any difference between governments, church, and religion?
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