3 mo. ago • 86%

I want freedom from every form of wages

fuck wages as a concept entirely. I want to do things because they need to be done, because they help the people around me, and because I enjoy them

I don't want people to tell me I'm better than someone else just because I decided to focus on my special interest or fix something that was annoying me or some shit

I don't want to exist anywhere near any system or ideology where they try and measure and pay "hard work", I want to freely do shit I want to do without people trying to measure and dissect it and apply it to their own idea of "value".

I hate it when people refuse to accept help because they feel like they don’t “deserve” it. That just wastes everyone's time, so stop calling people leeches. The point of mutual aid is building structures that help everyone involved, and if you did that right people “using it” and not “giving back” don’t exist, because using it is “giving back”. Every bit of dependence any of us rip away from the capitalists undermines their power for all of us.

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what your talking about is Star Trek. if you find a way there please let me know I will be right behind you

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- what I'm talking about is mutual aid networks, and so how I interact among my friends and polycule and such. We produce more than we could ever possibly consume, so much has to be thrown away just to force us to keep working.
  
  This is a video on that second bit I like here: https://youtu.be/ESp5IgjR6r0
  
  This is within our grasp today.
  
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  Mutual air networks is just another way to say community networks, which itself is just a label for how small communities with limited means act organically.
  
  The small (often rural but not always) communities I have lived in know that help isn't coming and that individuals cannot survive on their own. Hence pot luck dinners, beer "fix'em" crews, church fundraisers for someone in need, cajun navy, etc.
  
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  i hope it is but if it's got any kind of momentum it would be stamped out by the elite by force if necessary. It's happened before when churches started moving in that direction just look up the National Association of Manufacturers and James William Fifield Jr at the turn of the last century to see what I mean.
  
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- Well the path they took in Star Trek to get there isn't... exactly a pleasant path.....
  
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  Bell Riots coming next month.
  
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Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism.

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Finally, a normal intelligent person. I almost thought they didn’t exist.

Big exaggeration but oh does it feel good to see someone else type exactly what i have been thinking and saying for years.

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- it took me years to find others who felt the same way, have you had luck with that? I ask because you seem like you are not used to it
  
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  Every time i attempt to explain myself people seem to think that i am boasting that i am better then them or something.
  
  I can only assume they are projecting something on me, i just wanted better for everyone unconditionally without personal benefit other then living in a less fucked up world. Isnt that normal-selfish enough while still clearly in their benefits also? Apparently thats very hard for some to grasp.
  
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If you want this you should've just been born rich. Pretty shortsighted of you to be born without money.

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At the end of the day, people are going to want shit like phones or cars or supplies for their hobby or whatever. How do you propose we divvy out those limited resources without assigning some kind of value to them?

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- community fridges are a good example of this working. I don't need to propose anything
  
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  Yeah that’s really gonna help me stock up on, say, acrylic paint for my miniature painting hobby.
  
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Give you the means to live, prosper, and grow, and the tools and resources to let you help others do the same? I can get on board with that.

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fuck wages as a concept entirely I want to do things because they need to be done, because they help the people around me

Help yourself first - there's nothing wrong with it.

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- you can't help yourself without helping others, mutual aid is how the poor survive
  
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  There's a reason airlines tell you to secure your own oxygen mask before helping others with theirs '. Being stable yourself puts you in a better position to be helpful.
  
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  you can't help yourself without helping others
  
  This is how modern economy works - you get your wage by providing something to someone else. But my point is, there's no shame in doing this to support yourself as priority, rather than supporting other people - in other words you have right to do it for egoistic reasons
  
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Your "wants" sounds nice, but let us not forget people work and get paid because someone else need it. Wages/salary what have you, is the abstract representation of how much you've helped someone/some company. So in my opinion, wages are one of the emergent mechanics born out of necessity to value someone's help.

A post scarcity society like in star trek and the Orville could enable your vision. But for now, its all in fiction.

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Every time antiwork comes into my "all" feed I feel like I get a little dumber.

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