Sorry to rain on the joyful circlejerk, but please remember that truth and justice Kamala came out as solidly in line with Biden’s genocide policy book. Sorry, I like Walz too, but this is not acceptable.
Really? You guys will start with that again? No candidate that can actually be elected (i.e. a Democrat or a Republican) will side with Palestine, that's the reality you live in, now pick your poison.
They already have. Don't you think it's a little weird these "both sides are the same, don't vote!" trolls are only active right before a presidential election?
Ok, I pick the poison in which I call out the awfulness of genocide and its perpetrators, be they presidents, candidates, constituents, or commenters on forums. Also, who are the “you guys” you are referring to here? Sounds like you are talking about the people outraged by injustice, racism and genocide. Perhaps it’s the people trying to apply moral standards consistently? I know that concept can be annoying when you’re feeling good about an election, but why should I care when the stakes are so high? The dynamic you’re describing is a self-fulfilling prophecy, a lame excuse for allowing depravity, and ultimately the reason why we keep electing terrible leaders.
Sorry to rain on your joyful grandstanding, but it's either Trump or Harris — and Harris & Biden have both expressed FAR more sympathy toward the Gazan people and trying to negotiate a permanent ceasefire than Trump.
... Meanwhile Bibi is trying to do everything he can to get Trump elected, while Trump violated the Logan Act and contacted Bibi directly to NOT take the ceasefire deal.
I’m sure Palestinians really appreciate Biden and Harris’ sympathies as they are misted by the bombs they sent over that were guided by the intelligence they provided.
All the talk about ceasefire negotiations is an intentional distraction. Israel isn’t participating in negotiations as evidenced by the fact that they assassinated the main Hamas guy running negotiations.
Claiming that opposition to Harris’ terrible policy position is somehow supportive of trump is dishonest and misleading. That attitude is a big reason why we keep electing such terrible leaders.
trumps Logan Act violations should be prosecuted, absolutely, just like Biden’s violations of the Leahy Law should be prosecuted.
I get it. Just like you, I’ll probably vote for the party that’s been passively enabling those very same policies. That doesn’t mean people shouldn’t call out the awful positions our candidates take, or challenge constituents on the exuses they make for them.
Keeping an eye on Harris' stance on the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, Sanders made sure to bring that up, saying, “I think, in all fairness to the vice president, she’s been the candidate for all of one month. And it’s been a hell of a month. You have to organize the convention, select a vice presidential campaign, get out on the campaign trail. So, they are still working through their policies.”
The issue is not complicated and she has crafted a campaign around her own moral goodness. Sanders’ expectations are far too low. In any case, she has apparently settled on policy. She settled on Biden’s policy, as she described in her big speech.
Kamala has been pretty consistent on saying that what's happening in Gaza is absolutely unacceptable and she cannot turn a blind eye to it. It's the most harsh rhetoric we've seen from people in high leadership positions.
The problem is that she then pairs those statements with the exact same rhetoric that Netanyahu and Biden use obfuscate the genocide campaign (“will always defend Israel’s right to defend, yadda yadda yadda”). I appreciate that some of her language is a tiny bit better than Biden, but that just not enough. She has to show some of this ‘leadership’ quality that the DNC keeps bragging about. There must be some policy shift proposed. Otherwise her language is about as meaningless as trump’s empty claims that he’ll end the war in Ukraine as president elect.
Abstaining does less than nothing for the actual victims of the genocide in question. You think the dems are going to change their stance on Palestine because a bunch of leftists are withholding their votes? Most of their corporate donors are most likely either pro-Israel or don't care. They're going to decide it's a safer play for them to pivot right to try and scoop up lukewarm centrist dipshits, guaranteed. Things get worse for women, immigrants, LGBT people, and the working class in general but hey! At least your hands are clean!
The way to effect electoral change that may actually have a snowballs chance in hell of helping Palestinians is to support anti-genocide reps in primaries and local elections. Get your city to pass ordinances boycotting Israeli products, accepting Palestinian refugees, and supporting international aid organizations. Even if your good local reps can't make any of that happen, you're getting more anti-genocide policy makers in the system who may run for higher offices next cycle.
Leftist organizing has always been from the ground up. If you want an anti-genocide president (which I fucking do too!), then work on creating the infrastructure to produce one instead of stomping your feet and insisting the Overton Window move your way ex nihilo.