This is 100% how the Nazis got into power too. Hitler made all kinds of deals with the center-right, military, conservatives, and Hindenburg himself, by promising to be a bulwark against communism, unions, and the left in general. We all know how that movie ended.
82Ended? You mean fled to Argentina, paperclipped to America and stayed quiet for a few decades before getting louder... And Louder... AND LOUDER.... AND LOUDER!!!!!
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would someone enlighten the uninformed like me? thanks
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38Liberals tend to make alliances with fascists in the interest of keeping the peace.
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the peacetheir pieceFtfy
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Words mean nothing anymore and terms that always were are now not
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all libs right now. The UK is doing the exact same with less party politicking
33In the US we're skipping the whole locked up part entirely
14Elaborate?
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Macron is being corrupt by working with the worst of French society.
25Macron is corrupted.
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See also; British Columbia
17Tell me you're from Alberta without telling me you're from Alberta...
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Did I miss something in France? Last i checked the center and left-leaning parties formed an alliance to keep the right wing out of power.
10The left alliance doesn't have the numbers to govern on their own, and Macron (the liberals) would rather join forces with conservatives.
21The left leaning parties are liberals and the center are fascists, they're keeping real leftists out. None of the "left wing" parties in France are trying to start a revolution in the streets to take power. They're all too happy sitting there, just being in power... It's pathetic.
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Oh yeah, the lions have been out of the cage for a long time out there
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0So nice to see the anti-liberal rhetoric being turned up here now that Trump looks like he's in trouble.
Funny how all these leftists here magically manage to boost support for fascists by conflating liberals with actual fascists.
-8Oh fuck off lmao. This post explicitly said France and your immediate response is to pretend that the internet belongs to Americans. Get a grip.
...and maybe consider pressuring your party to consider its own policy of pandering to fascism (Kamala was at AIPAC the other day, despite their known election interference in support of Israel).
Not everything is a Trump conspiracy - mf couldn't even hide his ear for long enough to make it obvious that he was vastly overreacting about how much damage the bullet did.
25Yes, she's an awful politician. On balance I really do hope she wins, but no doubt it'll be business as usual for America either way.
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All the left seems able to do is call everyone else a fascist and tell them they're all awful for not agreeing with their ideological purity obsessions.
We need to actually appeal to people sometimes, actually talk about difficult subjects that affect people rather than just aay they're horrible for not putting ideology above all else.
A few positive ideas that actually make people think it'll be better for them if the left is in power
-8many parties are active in this, the party i am a member of are having a push towards "fight bosses not migrants" we do need unity of the working class and calling working class people fascists will only push them deeper into their corners.
the other day i spoke to someone about politics, he complained of housing prices, stagnating wages then exclaimed "its socialism" bottom line: he isn't a fascist but where he gets his information from is fascist.12From the quick reading I did, others aren't willing to work with the left and would just take down the government if they formed it. Not sure if the left is unwilling to work with center, I guess so.
8I got downvoted for suggesting the left try and talk about and improve areas people are concerned about, in think that kinda ahows why the left currently has problems getting others to want to work with them.
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We need to actually appeal to people sometimes, actually talk about difficult subjects that affect people
One side wants to talk about housing, public pensions, public healthcare, public education, salaries, discrimination against women and minorities, and work/life balance.
The other side wants to talk about immigrants being bad and evil, and about how trans people in films are turning their children gay
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Yeah it's the liberals, ignore the horseshoe
-27Horseshoe theory isn't real, Hitler and his fascists had to actively pretend to be Socialists to get votes - that's not "horseshoe theory" it's fascists actively lying.
Fascism defends corporations, capitalism, and the wealthy. It's "Capitalism's immune system". Hence it requires deception.
Socialism defends the workers and community, It's the Poor's, working class, and underprivileged's immune system... Then only in later or it's own abusive, incomplete, or corrupted forms can it be weilded as the party/Authoritarian's immune system. Only when it becomes a state based fascism is horseshoe theory credible.
It's the lack of democracy that is the difference. Democratic systems favour the majority, only when they fail is fascism produced. Nothing to do with Socialism (which requires a form of democracy where the proletariat majority is supposed to dictate what is to be done).
"Elite Panic" is an example of this. The wealthy minority are the status quo, the community is the rest of is.
It's when that majority ceases to get a say that socialism is dissolved and a state authoritarianism can take over. But under honest analysis, that's a new elite having taken over, NOT Socialism. It's Socialism in name only, state fascism or authoritarianism in actuality.
13From Wikipedia:
"Elite panic"* is a term coined by Rutgers University researchers Caron Chess and Lee Clarke to describe the behavior of members of the elite during disaster events,[1] typically characterized by a fear of civil disorder and the shifting of focus away from disaster relief towards implementing measures of "command and control".[2]
Further research from Scott Bonn suggests that a cozy, mutually beneficial relationship between the news media and political elites plays a significant role in moral panic processes. He draws on prior studies to conclude that the news media and political elites ("especially presidents") work in tandem in the generation of moral panics and societal issues, thus constructing and crafting policy and public concern in relation to their own priorities.[3]
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Wait, are you sarcastic or serious? Because to antifa it's well known from history that the liberal state is ineffectual in fighting fascism and doesn't mind flirting with fascists.
12They're as serious as what you find when you scratch a liberal.
Which is a communist, according to horseshoe.
4They're as serious as what you find when you scratch a liberal.
Which is a communist, according to horseshoe.
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How would you classify macron?
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