Capitalist logix

the initial argument only applies to Utopian Socialism anyway – fighting for your personal interest is exactly the point of communism, destroying all the enemies of the working class

When you feed the poor, you're called a Saint

When you ask why the poor have no food, you're called a communist.

People are neither inherently selfish or inherently generous. People are survivors regardless of what is necessary to do so. A human will give the shirt off his back to his neighbor but will spite a customer service worker because they're in a bad mood or feel slighted. Your tribe is your most important social aspect

Yeah, and eating hot dogs also goes against human nature. That shit didn't exist in 3,500 BCE.

I know I would be attacked by entire fediverse, but I want to say that charity also has egoism as backing cause. People help other people because it makes them feel good. And people expect themselves to be noticed or praised or rewarded, even if they tell themselves and everyone else that they don't.

Also don't presume that I am a capitalist, before you decide to attack me.

The very existence of society and the fact that we aren't blindly killing eachother for resources proves that civilization is not based on humanities animalistic instincts. Therefore the claim that humans cannot overcome their own base instincts (as claimed by many Liberals) would imply that we are no morally or intellectually superior to animals.

Charity can serve as a means of control. This is way Republicans advocate against social services.

The government cannot mandate that you attend church to receive EBT. A church can require you attend a service to feed you.

I’ve heard from friends in Utah, for example, that access to many social services is through the church. Friend was trying to rescue a girl from FLDS - pretty much all job training/housing required she play along with mainstream Mormonism.

Orgs like the Salvation Army are known to require trans people to detransition to recieve services as well.

Another benefit is the rent seeking - Goodwill is a good example. You can still turn a profit with the right combination of PR, and tying access to services based on things that’ll make you profit (Goodwill “provides employment” for disabled people - they are legally allowed to pay them far below minimum wage.)

It’s the two pillars of the contemporary Right - control and grifting.

Considering Ayn Rand's novels as literature was a mistake.

We're always going to end up with people who can manipulate a crowd being in charge. We're stupid like that.

It's either this fairy tale, or its flip side, the myth that 'private vices' somehow add up to 'public virtues'.

We are also born unable to care for ourselves. Or speak. Or...

Communism Killed 100 Zillion People

Now the massive population of China and Venezuela and Vietnam and Cuba and California are going to take over the world

No, they aren't doing Real Communism. That's just Authoritarian State Capitalism.

Yes, we have to fight them. That's why we need the western governments to spend trillions of dollars on private military services.

We have to kill all 100 Zillion of them. Because they've been infected with the Mind Virus of Communism.

You shouldn't even attempt to figure out their logic. People will say and do anything for power. They don't believe what they say. It's just an excuse to do what they want to you and your people.

They will find a way to make their twisted dreams your reality, even if they have to manufacture it.

It crossed my mind earlier today that we live in a world that is optimized for the happiness of the rich. Everything else on the planet has been twisted towards that goal.

Yeah people are born selfish yet so generous with their idiotic ideas

Our (American) system of capitalism rewards selfish sociopaths.

"The good of the people" is a noble enough goal. Unfortunately, the people in charge of these movements are people who deliberately seek power, and for the most part, those people are vain greedy, brutal, a-holes.

The problem is not that ether system is bad, human nature is inherently flawed. So both forcing people to help or let them run wild with no restrictions is a bad idea.

Capitalist countries have more free food available than communist countries do.

Communist logix

we need to abolish private property so everybody has equal power.

we class of people to maintain public ownership

After all, how can we enforce public ownership without a more powerful class of enforcers?

Ok but socdem. And before you try to make a counter argument with [insert nordic country that is actually capitalist] just think about how they always call the ussr and china communist while they arent.

From one extreme to another I see ml is still doing the stupid. There are things between ancapism and communism and they are lovely

You do understand we can make loads of those about communism as well?

Capitalism has caused untold horrors.

Have you seen what horrors communism has caused, though? Ever tried looking at history? Maybe read up on the great Chinese famine? Maybe read up on how communism started in Russia? You know, maybe watch the movie "the Chekist", great movie for those under the illusion that communism is a great thing. If your stomach can survive that movie, then yeah, you're a diehard who is perfect for the next regime