"Erm akshurally they just need to lift themselves by their bootstraps, workers are so lazy and entitled" ☝️🤓
80Workers start a worker owned cooperative that undercuts the old boss.
"NOT LIKE THAT!"
55dusting off my old copy of La Terra Trema
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Have you seen how expensive bootstraps are these days?
15They can’t because their boots are too caked in horse shit!
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Take it further. After you're arrested and put in prison, you get leased out to the farm to work
69Felt a bit heavy handed in writing, but once I got to the asshole "sell a cow and buy a bull" I laughed because I've actually seen that idiotic meme before. Gets a pass from me!
64As a meme? I remember this being taught in middle school social studies.
9For more details on how animal husbandry led to the notion of lending money with interest, see David Graeber's "Debt: The First 5,000 Years"
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I exclusively drink bull milk
44That's what my Dom calls it, too
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Feudalism
Year One
Your lord owns two hundred cows. You're required to milk them sun-up to sun-down 2-3 days a week. The lord gets the milk. You're not paid for your labour. You don't own any land of your own, in fact, you don't own anything. You're allowed to live on your lord's property, and not allowed to leave it. You're considered to be "tied to the land". On the days when you're not required to milk the cows you're allowed to work a small plot of land which you can use to feed yourself. Your lord gets a cut of anything you grow for yourself too. If your lord's eldest daughter gets married, you're required to pay your lord a customary fee. Since you don't own anything, you'll likely have to contribute some of your harvest which you were planning to use to feed yourself and your family. If your own daughter marries someone from outside the estate, you're required to pay the lord a fine. If your lord chooses, you can be sold to another lord, and then you'll move to their land and milk their cows instead.
Year Two
See Year One.
Year Two Hundred
See Year One.
38If I call this socialism I'll probably get yelled at by a nerd
Year 1:
A farmer owns two cows. You offer your services to milk them. You are now co-owners of cow-milkers incorporated. You each milk one cow. This gives you more than enough milk for yourself, and you sell the rest of the milk to pay for maintenance of the cow and are still left with a little cash left over to purchase what you want. Much of your left over cash goes to a community fund.
Year 2:
Your cow business is going well. You and the farmer agree that you could probably handle more cows. You opt to purchase a bull. This is a large purchase so you petition the community to allow you to dip into its funds and purchase a bull. You do so and soon you have five or six cows, still enough for you and the farmer to handle but honestly, it's a pretty full day's work. You employ a third person for the business. They become a co-owner and are afforded an equal share of the revenue. This share of profits is still larger for all three of you, you can even reduce the price of milk, in a similar manner the beer producers are reducing the price of their products because the community agrees for them to buy a bigger still and the vegetable sellers are reducing the price of their products because they were afforded larger fields. Now you're selling stuff for cheaper but so is everyone else so it feels like you've got even more spending power to buy luxuries on top of the public good you support!
Year 3:
Here's the kicker: you and the other two people think you can keep expanding. You dip into the communal fund to purchase new automatic cow milkers that were developed by the egghead academics that were funded by part of that community fund you keep contributing to. The same community fund that's stopped you from being severely sick at multiple points in your life and has been used to provide housing for everyone in your village.
And suddenly.
You're making more milk than you ever dreamed of! Sure you've got to clean the machines once a day, but you're milking a hundred cows! And maybe you add, hell, five new people onto the company! That just gives you more free time, you can sell the milk for dirt cheap and still make more money than you ever were. Sure, you've got to divide the work up now. Shipping 100 cows worth of milk a day to the market ain't easy but you're going gangbusters.
Not to mention! The vegetable farmer and the beer producer automated their own stock, so they're selling beer for carrots for milk for pennies on the dollar they cost last year, and they're only getting richer! Those egghead's keep inventing new gizmos and the world has its basic needs met while everyone is able to work less and less. Not only are the basics dirt cheap but the luxuries are too.
24Do you not see how we are currently slipping towards feudalism? No one owns anything anymore, we pay half our money to land-lords, the rest to stay alive
20Everything old is new again!
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More than one thing can be bad.
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Wtf did I read?
10Exactly.
1Chinese Pornography.
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cf. Waiting for the Revolutionary Vanguard to usher in Utopia or for Jesus or the Mahdi to come back and establish the Millennium.
At least with liberalism, someone is milking the cows in the meantime.
3Cowpitalism. No? I tried
2i too am a luddite
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You're a student in a big beautiful city. After graduation, you became a doctor. Now you are sent to a village far away from home to live and work there. And you can't say "no" because the state knows better where you should live.
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You're a successful plant director, and you are sent to build a big collective farm. You are OK with moving far away because the state needs you there. After some time, you're told NKVD is searching for you. You say: "It's a nonsense, I did nothing wrong, it's a mistake." Later, you are executed because an anonymous letter against you is enough.
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You're a little girl in a village. The state took away all food, so there's nothing to eat. Parents send you to the field after harvesting to search for ears of wheat. Adults are executed if they are caught with three ears of wheat, but children are safe, so you regurly go to the field. But it's not enough, and your parents dig rotten potato, grind it to make potato flour, and bake rotten potato bread. It tastes so awful that you refuse to eat it. Parents try to force you to eat that bread, but you tell them that if they keep trying to force you, you're not going to the field anymore.
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You're a communist. You know that people disappear at night. But you believe it's ok because you are told they are bad people hurting the state and society. They are not just people. They are pests.
-21Literally none of these are an implication of socialism.
Some of these, like taking away all food, are explicitly anti-socialist. Just because states that acted under the name of a socialist government did many of these things, that doesn't mean that they have anything to do with socialism. That's like acting as if the current Chinese government were actually socialist instead of being a capitalist oligarchy, or like the Soviet Union under Stalin was anything but a hyper-authoritarian quasi-fascist military regime.
Socialism is expressed in socialist policies in states in Europe too and while it certain somewhat increases the tax burden on society, it alleviates the grueling effects of wage slavery and lack of access to food, as well as in especially well developed cases, allowing for greater personal expression than can be true otherwise in capitalist settings.
Claiming that having to move only happens under authoritarian regimes, completely besides the point of whether or not that is relevant to socialism in general, is in complete disregard to the constant forces exhibited by uncontrolled capitalism, forcing people to move, eat whatever cheap crap they can get and, believe it or not, experiencing how loved ones and acquaintances disappear, not due to the government taking them, but due to the for-profit society grinding them down into addiction, depression and death.
Note that in no way I wish to support any military regime or other undemocratic government. But socialism is the policy of putting the government to work to support society, by having everyone partaking in society assist in supporting those that need it. What you listed is not representative of that ideal and only serves to show the degeneracy of the governments that did so in the name of socialism.
19Socialism is expressed in socialist policies in states in Europe too and while it certain somewhat increases the tax burden on society, it alleviates the grueling effects of wage slavery and lack of access to food, as well as in especially well developed cases, allowing for greater personal expression than can be true otherwise in capitalist settings.
I never understood the beef people have with taxes. How can an uncertain individual money supply be better and less anxiety inducing that knowing that you give most of your earnings away but are guaranteed certain essential things for a good quality of life?
Except of course that the tax burden falls disproportionately on the working class still, but that's another issue. In itself, taxes are amazing. Tax me hard big daddy.
4Come on, socialism is an economic system where society owns means of production. That's what happened in USSR. The problem is, society cannot function without structure. There should be some representatives like secretaries. And those people have more power than others, even more, they can have near absolute power. And those people aren't the best. As a result, bad people own all society, and there's nothing to do with it. Under capitalism, if an employer is bad, workers can just quit and find another job. Under socialism, if the employer is bad, there is nothing to do because there is only one employer: the state. Capitalism is not bad, people who have lots of money are bad. But imagine exactly same people gain absolute power. That's what was in the USSR. Greedy people, who wrote anonymous letters accusing others, benefited from it. They received confiscated flats and furniture. People of power lived better than others, they had better flats, better food, better goods. They were "elite". All of them were actually higher class. And they stated they were caring for society. All their deeds were for good, they said.
I believe regulated capitalism and democracy are the best for imperfect humans. If people were ideal, any system would work flawlessly. But people are flawed, and any system giving absolute power leads to a state where bad people rule others.
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Fear of not being a totally-not-a-slave-slave will kill everyone. Everyone.
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The whole "more cows and computerized milking raised prices of milk" reeks of anti-industrial Luddite garbage.
-28You should read about who the luddites actually were. They were not opposed to technology, but to poor wages, low quality goods, and workers being replaced. Capitalists destroyed their reputation with propoganda.
44What actually raises the price of milk is the farmer uses his profits to buy up other local dairy farms consolidating their position in the market. They then sign exclusivity deals with both grocers and further milk processors (who are also consolidating) to prevent competing in the market, driving their competitors to either sell for cheap or go out of business. https://theconversation.com/americas-dairy-farms-are-disappearing-down-95-since-the-1970s-milk-price-rules-are-one-reason-why-237439#:~:text=Across the country%2C the dairy,per farm – has been rising.
Because "farm Inc" has a massive horde of wealth, they can stamp out competition by either buying them out, cutting them out, or driving them out of business with prices a small farmer can't handle. After that, they get to set and raise prices at will with the now smaller pool of big name "farm Inc".
This literally happens every time a market is poorly regulated and businesses allowed to grow too big. It's the natural end state of capitalism.
32End state? That'a just stage two. The end state is when we all are sworn to our individual masters on penalty of death/disemploymeant, or when we've had enough and do something different
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Be careful where you step on this issue.
Pretty sure tankies are banned in the rules here.
Whats your opinion on NATO?
-44Is this a verification can test?
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