Anti-China Rhetoric Is Off the Charts in Western Media

you're free to argue the points you have been in the rest of the thread, but genocide denialism is a no-go.

Does...that make all those things okay then?

A Chinese corporation openly tested those spy balloons over my country a decade ago (allegedly just for monitoring livestock), why is it so unbelievable that they'd use a more polished version on their biggest geopolitical rival?

Give me a source that shows the blatant and deliberate anti China rhetoric about the ‘spy balloon’.

I have been following media intensively. I am not saying that news about China is unbiased in the western media. I am calling out the lack of any sources in this weak ‘article’

That’s not a defense. Opinion pieces can be fine, but if you’re claiming that something is off the charts you should probably have some charts (or any points of data) to prove the claim.

Yes, and this is why the experience of individuals can't be taken as an indication of whether there is or isn't a problem.

China is a huge country with a long history and cultures of its own, the people there are like anywhere else mainly concerned with just living their day to day life. But we learned from the middle of the last century that people can be living a relatively normal life directly adjacent to some of the most heinous crimes against humanity our species has ever seen.

There's a lot of value that the people of China could contribute, culturally and economically, if they were in a position to actually freely and openly engage with the rest of the world in an honest way. Some incredible cinema, for example, came out of China prior to the new age of censorship and hyper-aggressive information control brought in by Xi. I just wish that the CCP was out of the picture so that could happen again, China has so much more to offer.

I dunno, the sway of Apple, MS, whoever else just doesn't have the same weight as the CCP and Tencent.

The fact that you name Apple and Microsoft makes me think there is a blind spot here. If you are taking about big tech with it's tendrils in US policy I'd go for Google and Facebook. Big pharma and the military industrial complex are even bigger issues. These industries don't just undermine the US but harm the global community as well. Then you have think tanks, often funded by capital, shaping narratives and foreign policy.

In some ways, yes, certain factions within the US government have been untrustworthy. However, I think people do not understand that China is still on a completely different level. There's a reason that the US is broadly trusted by its allies (or was, largely, up until the recent decade of overt campaign of internal sabotage).

To compare the US and China is like comparing Kent State to Tienanmen Square. Were they both violations of fundamental human liberty? Yes. Are they at all comparable as reflections of the viability of each respective state's potential to sustain human liberty? No.

The US is in a conflict with itself, between far-right, corporate factions and those groups that actually defend some semblance of democratic liberty. This fact is the proof of the difference, that some meaningful element of democracy does exist in the US. The US has the ability to course correct. In China rule has been consolidated under a single man, unchallenged now, who has created hundreds of prison camps and a surveillance state unmatched even by the US. He ran literal execution vans in his run up to power.

Convincing people that the crimes committed by China against its own people and those they've colonized are normal is a way of lessening the seriousness with which those crimes are regarded. You have to ask yourself if that's really the goal you want to be serving. You're not required to sing the praises of the US, but acknowledging the meaningful degree of difference is critical to preventing the world sliding further into an authoritarian paradigm.

That's right. Because not every single person is in jail, no problem exists. /s

How about this: even putting one person in jail because of political opinion is an oppressive, undemocratic action.

Yeah, like Naomi Wu, famous in the maker community, who tried her best to provide a nuanced view of China before pissing off the wrong group of people and going radio silent for good.

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Yes, exactly. Most people don't want their governments to copy imperialistic authoritarian capitalist shitholes like China, the USA, or Russia.

The American government being awful doesn't mean that everybody else should copy them and be as awful as they can.

Of course they would not. They have chosen to be aligned with Russia. This whole thing is a Russia / China thing.

It's a human rights issue. People like you and me are dying.

Woke is the new Red I guess?

It's an option in Sync for lemmy.