Today: the clean SS Tomorrow:
Today: the clean SS Tomorrow:
edit: i should make explicit. this meme is prodding at liberals humanizing the soldier of the 14th Waffen SS (1st Galicia) recently honoured in the canadian house of commons. this meme is showing off a ww2 ukrainian nazi unit in a fashion similarly done with the "brave soldiers of afghanistan" who would later become the taliban.
the joke is, we would eventually glorify and humanize them as well with enough time
"okay but have you ever considered how bad the soviet union was?? Like im not a Nazi or anything but they did kinda have a reason to genocide Jews because a lot of soviet politicians were Jews and wanted to genocide Aryan Ukrainians to further spread the cancer of judeo-bolchevism."
-Some lib on reddit who is definitely not a nazi sympathizer
41"The Ukrainian Nazi SS divisions were defending themselves and their culture, their religion from the invaders like the Jews who took to communism because they were poor and jealous and wanted to legally have the wealth of the non-Jewish Ukrainians. You know people get caught up in the race science, but if you ignore that part, the Jews were still bad because they were poor and they wanted to steal wealth! Maybe the Germans and Nazi Ukrainians went too far, but can you blame them! Look at history you tankie! The Russians and Jewish communists did the same to the more "Aryan" types!"
You gotta smash up the obvious antisemitism and repackage it with more contemporary divisions. And toss in some "feels vaguely true" lies to the Americans (mostly, but westerners generally). Few people will openly state they "hate Jews" now days or that they equate Jews with Communism (probably few even know of the history of this equivalency based on how Jordan Peterson has been saying it, in slightly different wording, for like a decade now), but if you tell them some ethnic group is poor and wants their jobs? Well, suddenly border detentions, torture, and even some murder becomes easier to swallow. Different packaging for the same product... liberals love optics and they love defending fascism. Give them a shiny box to place all their terrible ideology in so they can pretend it's justified and they'll be plenty happy. I mean, just look at the fucking world.
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Oof, Come and See was such a rough movie to watch. Important to watch, but rough.
21City of Life and Death is a really difficult one too, but also important. WWII from the Chinese perspective.
17Well now I have new plans for tonight. They'll probably involve a bit of hugging my legs, rocking back and forth, and dry crying, but, plans.
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6I have complicated feelings about this comrade 😅
On the one hand, great movie, and very valuable from multiple historical perspectives, ethical issues in its production (live ammunition, young actors) not withstanding.
On the other hand, potentially traumatizing if people aren't expecting it.
On yet another hand, very funny if reactionaries were forced to watch it 😁
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This a top tier meme ngl.
18Tankies simping for Russian nazis by parroting their bullshit rhetoric is just… ugh
-24Remind me again, which side is whitewashing the SS?
18Excuse me? Which side is the one ignoring Azov or pretending that it’s filled with perfectly nice people?
12I don’t know, who is ignoring azov? When azov was still a thing - because they got decimated in Mariupol - everybody in the west knew they were nazi sympathisers. The problem was never “Russia is lying there are zero nazis”, it was “having a bunch of nazis integrated in the army doesn’t make it a nazi regime”. But yeah caricaturing the other side is very tempting.
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excerpt context: after the UA government had decided to add to the list the 110th birthday of nazi collaborator bandera to the list of days worthy of commemoration.
“Glorifying the person whose men committed countless heinous crimes is an insult to the victims and an unthinkable distortion of the history of the world’s most horrific genocide," said Dr. Zuroff.
“Unfortunately in recent years, Ukraine has been one of the major propagators of a distorted version of Holocaust history which seeks to hide or minimize crimes committed by Ukrainian nationalists,” he added.
Weitzman added, "It is clear that Ukraine is choosing to rehabilitate antisemitism and to censor history.” He noted that, along with the Bandera national holiday, the Ukrainian region of Lviv announced that 2019 would be “Stepan Bandera Year” and that a book exploring the antisemitic actions of politician Simon Petlura, who led 1919 pogroms against Jews, was banned.
“By joining with other countries that are rewriting history Ukraine is showing how little it has learned from the tragedies of the past. These actions are a disgraceful affirmation of Ukraine’s darkest past and an absolute rejection of democratic values,” Weitzman concluded.
mind you there are streets named him. You aren't even slightly suspicious that maybe the narrative we're being told on MSM is fabricated?
11Comment on threads you agree with instead of disagree with and you won't feel frustrated enough to go ugh. I know its difficult. I have trouble with it sometimes too.
The main reason I like Lemmy is that not everything is a debate yet. It reminds me of the old forum I had for my private WoW server as a teenager.
Also, sometimes I ask myself if something really affects me, and if its worth stressing over. Some things are important, so rather than ask myself if it affects me, I ask if I can do anything about it. If its out of my control, then it may as well be sports.
7You’re not wrong, but seeing people simp for Russia with all the information available is just triggering.
I could excuse nostalgic tankies because it’s normally people in their teens or twenties who have no idea what the ussr was about (we have nostalgic fascists too in Italy, what can you do) but actually simping for Russia in 2023 is unbelievable.
This shit appeared in my feed, as soon as I find a way to hide this tankie cesspool instance from it I’ll do it and move on
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These "Russian nazis", are they in the room with us right now?
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