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Singh says NDP will vote to bring down Trudeau government

https:// www.cbc.ca /news/politics/singh-ndp-non-confidence-1.7416221

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party will bring forward a motion of non-confidence to bring down the Trudeau government in the next sitting of the House of Commons.

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance," Singh wrote in a letter on Friday. "That's why the NDP will vote to bring this government down."

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The Liberals don't deserve another chance, sure, but handing the election over to the conservative party? What the fuck...

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- Why is it the responsibility of a third party like the NDP to keep up the Liberals in power?
  
  If the NDP can steal and win former Liberal seats, it seems really dumb not to capitalize on that opportunity. It's not like the NDP will form government, nor will the Conservatives lose traction in the next 10 months. There's a Conservative government coming in regardless of how you feel.
  
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  Except the NDP are unlikely to pick up many Liberal seats and will go from holding the balance of power to having no power. I don’t follow this logic.
  
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  It's not, but when the country is frothing at the mouth over even more unhinged authoritarian/oligarchy leadership than what we have, NDP aren't going to stand much of a chance on their own. All the going to do is drive more people to vote CPC
  
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Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin's government.

The result was the loss of a number of progressive initiatives Martin's people were working on, the election of fucking Stephen Harper and the most conservative Canadian political landscape since Borden. Science was suppressed, lslamophobia went from being a dogwhistle to a bullhorn, we narrowly avoided economic catastrophy. Harper even fucked with the Census in an attempt to remake Canada.

A lot of dippers really idolized Layton, but honestly he was a shameless opportunist and I don't forgive him for giving us almost a decade of Harper.

And Singh is pulling the same fucking stunt.

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- Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin’s government.
  
  Refusing to support a sitting government mired in scandal isn’t a stunt—it’s taking a stand. Calling an election wasn’t just the right thing to do; it was unavoidable after the Office of the Auditor General laid bare the extent of corruption. This wasn’t a minor misstep—it was a government blatantly diverting public funds to secure its own re-election. Propping up such a government would have been a betrayal of public trust.
  
  Pinning the blame on Layton because the only viable alternative brokerage party to form government was the Conservative Party is absurd. That’s not on him; it’s on the corrupt Liberal party establishment of the time for destroying their own credibility. A lot of voters are only used to the reformed Liberal Party under Trudeau, but there was a point in time where the Liberal party apparatus was very different.
  
  Let’s be clear: the fault lies with those who abused their power, not with those who refused to stand by and enable it. Misrepresenting this as opportunism is a deliberate distortion of the facts, designed to deflect attention from the real issue—a government that deserved to fall. Just admit you're pro-corruption and move on.
  
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  The Liberal party apparatus is different? News to me.
  
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- Poilievre is winning a majority no matter what, I'd rather get it out of the way sooner instead of sitting through another year of ineffective Liberal virtue signalling.
  
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  There a good chance PP will just get more conservative votes in already conservative areas and still end up with a minority.
  
  At that point he’ll have to find another party to work with and he’s already pissed them all off.
  
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- Do you think it is in Singh's power to prevent a conservative government? Do you think it was within Layton's?
  
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One thing that I find interesting.

Singh says he will introduce a vote of non-confidence. Is it possible that he'll delay it for a little bit, to support (or negotiate with) the Liberals for longer than anything Poilievre would have planned.

In other words, could it be to push the CPC onto their back foot for a bit?

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Just saw that he is eligible for pension on Jan 24th........ Do with what you want with that info

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- The pension is a red herring tossed around by morons. If he didn't get the pension, he'd get a return of his contributions and just invest it in index funds. People make it sound like a $40k/year pension will make or break his retirement plans lmao.
  
  Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26. You still have to get input from NDP HQ and the caucus before you go around voting non-confidence. Freeland resigned a day before parliament was about to adjourn and y'all make it sound like it needed to be a gut reaction.
  
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- He's rich. The pension is meaningless.
  
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- I will toss it in the trash but next time please don't leave your garbage around.
  
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Can this wait until Feb 1? Give Canadians a bit more of a chance to see the US get fucked first.

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- Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26, so it won't happen before then.
  
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  First sitting on the 27th, to be exact. Source.
  
  Yeah, I'm panicking a lot less now. And depending on the exact rules JT could prorogue it even further.
  
  Somebody in the media mentioned a Liberal leadership election; if he goes that way I'll be "kalm" again.
  
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Dang welcome to Trump's Canada I guess. Scary times boys

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- How would a Conservative government be equivalent to Trump's Canada? I don't really understand the alarmism. This government was already on it's last days, and there's always going to be a point in time where things must get worse to get better. Waiting 10 months to expect a different result other than a Conservative majority is just copium, and Trudeau had the option of not calling a snap election in 2021 too.
  
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  How would a Conservative government be equivalent to Trump’s Canada?
  
  Because Poilievre is acting just like Trump: Sowing division and mistrust, attacking vulnerable groups, courting extremists, attacking the process of government, displaying willful ignorance of government and the law, reducing complex issues to simple (and wrong) chants, and more.
  
  The Conservatives have set their sights on the first target - trans people - so if they get a majority, watch them strip basic human rights from members of the trans community. After that will probably be abortion; but not banning it of course, just removing any guarantee of access to safe, legal abortions.
  
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  I think Pierre will be easily bought out and let Trump have his way. Fresh water will be piped to the states during his tenure, and he will try to gaslight us into thinking it's a good deal, that's my prediction
  
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"The Liberals don't deserve another chance,"

And Conservatives shouldn't even get a chance, yet Singh is handing them power on a silver plate.

Burning down the country and democracy in the West "to own the Libs" sounds like a plan we may never recover from.

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- The Conservatives will win either way. There's nothing in the next 10 months that would prevent the Conservatives from winning short of PP beating up children.
  
  Voting no confidence now allows the NDP to viably compete for seats like Ottawa Centre where the liberals are weak and rebuild their influence and standing in the house. I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party. Waiting 10 months isn't going to cause the NDP to sweep into government, it might at best just delay the inevitable if they're lucky, but more likely delaying will catastrophically wipe out their party by making them look like Liberal stage props.
  
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  I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party.
  
  It's the third party fallacy all over again.
  
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  It's about optics.
  
  Canada is one of the last few full democracies out there, and seeing how the United States has already failed, to give up and surrender sends a strong message to other nations that democracy just doesn't work.
  
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"Maybe when Canada is fed up with the Cons, they'll vote us in!"

Shortsighted buffoons

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- Singh et al learned absolutely nothing from the Harper era
  
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- The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Liberals who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters' lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.
  
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  How do you feel about response to COVID and the CERB payments?
  
  Personally, that was a federal win for me.
  
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  The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the NDP who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.
  
  The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Conservatives who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.
  
  Works with every party.
  
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  Drop the whataboutism. Hold yourself to a higher standard.
  
  All political parties are a blight on democracy. Case in point, party whips.
  
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I guess it's PP time...

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- Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.
  
  Hopefully it's a bluff to get Trudeau to resign, but that's not really the typical NDP MO.
  
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  WTF is he thinking?
  
  For better or worse, he's probably reached the point where he thinks they need to cut all remaining ties to the Liberals, and not be seen as propping them up, formally or otherwise.
  
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  WTF is he thinking?
  
  "The Bloc will let me do some performative grand standing. I hope."
  
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  I hope so too but it doesn't really seem like a smart move since it'd make their threats seem empty (though actually going through with this isn't smart either...)
  
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  Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.
  
  Could it be thay he hopes the conservatives will take the fall for Trump's chaos and be out of power quicker? Thats the only other angle Im seeing here.
  
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~~We're doomed. Probably.~~

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- Yup, and gov is in vacation until Jan 27th, so when they wil go back to work, Trump in its first week may have already destroyed a couple of things here and there in our economy
  
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  Actually, that's a good thing. Parliament blow up before he arrives. The government itself will continue to operate.
  
  Thanks, I thought they were coming back early January and was worried.
  
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Get ready for one of the ugliest campaigns in living memory.

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Please don’t do it Mr Singh.

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