The Luigi Mangione "Manifesto" Ken Klippenstien released is not authentic
The Luigi Mangione "Manifesto" Ken Klippenstien released is not authentic
There are 3 manifestos circulating. One is definitely fake as it was written by someone with an average intellect at best. It goes on to reference the Ridley Scott film “Gladiator” and is rife with spelling and grammatical errors. The second one that police released to the media with instructions not to publish it starts off boot licking cops saying “(to the feds) I appreciate what you do for our country” and the one i believe to be the legitimate Manifesto is on his personal website which shares his twitter handle. People have attempted to discredit this one by saying the metadata says it was created December ninth, however this does not add up. Firstly when you type the URL into the website age checker it says it was created sometime in july 2023. Secondly if you search the link in google you will see it is timestamped December 3rd. The day before the shooting. It is hosted in Rekyjavik Iceland on an encrypted .WHOIS server. However this is not all that leads me to believe it is legitimate.
Next if you examine the main page of the website you will see there are 2 posts as well as links to Mangione’s twitter, Github, LinkedIn and email address. Also the 2 links are tech projects he worked on. One is an AI project and the other is a robotics engineering project where he created a robot that mimics his own movements. This post has 3 pictures/.gifs of him controlling the device through his movements. These images are not located anywhere else online.
Next i analyzed the manifesto on this site and there are zero grammatical or spelling errors. I then had chat gpt do some analysis of the document. Firstly I asked if it appeared to be written by a person or an AI and it unequivocally answered that it is human generated. Next i had it assess the level of intellect and schooling as well as the age of the writer. It said the writer appears to be between the age of 30-50 but a high level of prestigious schooling could mean that the writer is indeed younger.
Now I remembered seeing someone post a twitter link to a paper mangione wrote about Christianity and the roman empire. So i pulled this up entered it into chat gpt and had it run an analysis on both. I then asked what the likelihood that both of these documents were written by the dame author and chat gpt said it was very likely especially if the manifesto was written years after the first allowing the writers skill level to increase. I have the chat gpt conversation screen shots if people would like me to post them or have any other ideas as to how this manifesto could be further analyzed.
But the manifesto that I believe to be the real deal is located at www dot pepmangione dot com backslash manifesto. I would link it but it seems the entire internet is on damage control for billionaires to scrub as much pro mangione content as they possibly can. Ive had YouTube comments shadow hidden and removed for just spelling out this link as I’ve done above
I used to be on reddit but luckily for me i didnt have to deal with tje insane censorship resulting from this phenomenon. However i had to deal with it 6-7 months ago when i was perma-IP banned for pointing out that international law states indigenous populations have a right ro defend themselves by any means necessary including the big V word. Now ive seen more than half a dozen Luigi Mangione Reddit subs wiped from existence in the last 10 days. Ive seen posts on photoshop battles nuked. Ive seen a sub with users who are flared as uhc corporate affiliated spreading ridiculous propaganda that was then parroted bu CNN 2 days later (brian Thompson is the new george floyd and other ridiculous shit) this sub is r/fuckluigimangione it reads like satire but their automod is ready to state otherwise anytime anyone asks if it is satirical.
We are living in a blatantly fascist plutocratic oligarchy.
I then had chat gpt do some analysis of the document.
This kind of analysis is worse than useless, and if this is what you're basing your claim on... I'll trust Klippenstein over you.
97The whois info is pretty trustworthy, but yeah the chatgpt shit is just modern dowsing.
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The entire section where you interacted with ChatGPT is completely and utterly useless. Every bit of it.
81As a decades experienced web engineer, I’d like to know, what is an encrypted .WHOIS server? In all of my time, I’ve never seen those words put together in that order.
I think what you’re trying to say is that the WHOIS data associated with the domain is from a privacy service, not an actual person. You can pretty clearly see in that data that the domain was registered on Dec 9th of this year, and that part can’t be faked (at least, it can only be faked by the registrar, and I don’t think NameCheap Inc is in on it). So unless he set this domain up right before they arrested him, no, this is not his domain.
The IP address in the A record for that domain belongs to Amazon Inc, and is located in San Jose, CA. That pretty much shows that it’s running on an AWS machine. So yeah, literally anyone with some basic web knowledge could have set that up in a few minutes.
As even further evidence that it wasn’t him, the Wayback Machine only shows snapshots of that domain since Dec 9, 2024, the day the domain was registered. And the page changes between the night of the ninth, and the morning of the tenth, while he was in custody.
58Thanks for your input. I do not have an expert grasp of coding or programming.
Is there no possibility one could have set this domain up to release after being arrested either by oneself or with a participating party?
2That would be a stupid way to do it. Setting up the infrastructure can happen months before any content is visible.
Hyperrins explanation points to the idea that someone was actively setting this up when the news of the arrest dropped.
If it was set up beforehand, the content would be available on the first snapshot or there would be blank Wayback entries for more than only a few hours.
9I can’t say there’s no possibility, but the probability is incredibly low. The domain was registered on the day he was arrested, likely after he was arrested, because the first Wayback snapshot is at 2:47 PM EST and the page is blank. Meaning, a web server had been set up to respond to requests, but no content had been added, so it just responded with an empty body. The first snapshot with content was taken two hours later at 4:28 PM EST.
The rat that ratted him out called 911 shortly after 9 AM, which means he was in custody during this time.
The story had just started to spread by the early afternoon, so whoever registered the domain could have done so after learning his name from the news. (Utah Dispatch posted the story at 12:39 PM.)
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ChatGPT doesnt know shit about fuck. NEXT!
42Why would someone who wrote the /manifesto page have such a shit website? Far more likely that someone registered the domain on 12/09/2024 like the whois says, made this front page out of what little shit they could get their hands on, and then buried their own text at /manifesto.
And ... do people who write manifestos call them "manifesto"?
I'd believe Klippenstein over this anonymous copypasta.
19I haven't actually looked at this website, but there's a long history of programmer types making the most basic personal websites they can with unformatted, plain HTML and the like.
Consider, for example, the Agile Manifesto. It's kinda important for the history of software engineering, but just try to read it on top of that tiled background.
8Idk, maybe when you’re this based you see a duck and you just call it a duck? He did name the document “Healthcare and its victims” which is a succinct and accurate title imo
Also it is likely someone so into tech would skimp on a webpage rather than the projects they are working on. This is all speculation but why would the /manifesto be timestamped December 3rd on google search which is 6 days before anyone knew who mangione was?
I think its most likely police fabricated the one the media leaked to klippenstien. Primarily to make his political beliefs look disjointed and unhinged. Like thanking the class traitor attack dogs of the owner class and also calling the owner class parasites in the same long winded paragraph? Also we don’t have a photo of the actual alleged document just a type up. The other purpose of releasing a forgery is to see which reporters would do as they are told and if the real one is ever widely circulated the reporters who didn’t fall in line could be attacked as lacking credibility. Its kind of a twofur.
-2Klippenstein is a journalist with a history. He posted what he had, on his own site, saying "I’ve obtained a copy of suspected killer Luigi Mangione’s manifesto — the real one, not the forgery circulating online."
This pepmangione.com site - we have no idea who put this up. Internet Archive doesn't have anything on it prior to December 9, 2024. Same thing for /manifesto. This aligns with the whois domain registration date.
I think you're reaching, and the assumptions you're making and then claiming are most likely, without any evidence to support them smack of conspiracy theory. What's most likely here, based on evidence, is that someone decided to have some fun and register this domain on Dec 9 and plop some things in it.
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Why does this matter, though? His manifesto was written on the bullet casings. Whether we have The True Manifesto™ is not really relevant, because what he stands for is an idea, and trying to turn our just anger into some kind of purity cult or religion will only burden that idea with unnecessary baggage.
14People just want to know more about him.
But i appreciate your answer. It is Based Af
1As long as people don't lose sight of the forest for the trees, I'm down with learning! I just know that there's a concerted effort by the media establishment to obfuscate and distract from what he represents.
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Anybody could be wrong about anything, but Ken Klippenstien has a track record of being right. You have a two-day-old account on Lemmy, and an unwarranted reliance on ChatGPT.
5I used to have a 2 year old account with a bunch if meaningless karma on reddit but those basrards IP banned me 6 months ago for a comment that said international law states indigenous populations have a right to defend themselves from occupation by any means.
I might be wrong, but my gut tells me something smells fishy and only one of these documents sounds like it was written by an ivy league cum laude graduate. ill admit I put too much stock into irrelevant factors. However my gut is still pulling me towards believing this other manifesto seems more believable.
And its not that i don't think Klippenstien is a good reporter or that he’s not trustworthy. Its that i think cops and the reporters working for legacy media are both extremely untrustworthy. I guess only time will tell and if I’m wrong ill eat my words.
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File dates can be forged.
3Indeed. But i am curious, are you questioning the info on websiteage.org, the google timestamp or the December 9th date people are using to write it off as fake?
2How Do We Detect Website Age?
[…] it fetches the webpage in the given url, and then scans through the HTML markup and content, to find indicators of the site age.
It seems that it would be easy to throw websiteage.org way off.
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I dunno. The weird AI art that disappears on the 10th is kinda sus.
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://pepmangione.com/manifesto/
2What weird ai art?
Whats also sus is now if you search in google the link appears with no timestamp…
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Post the info on the original timestamp being DEC 3. The DEC9 posting was the most convincing i agree but the dates were enough to cast doubt. Very likely they are calling his arrest statement a manifesto to muddy the waters, but I havent much confidence in that breloom signed substack due to the modified date.
2Im not a computer savvy hacking wiz. All i have is a screenshot someone else took and a screenshot i took from my mobile device both timestamped December 3rd and a screenshot of the websiteage.org inquiry that says estimated date of creation is july 2023.
I think its best to remember the media narrative isnt the only thing people with more money than the GDP of many nations have the capacity to manipulate. I can (attempt) to post the screenshots and chat gpt screenshots if thats helpful? I say attempt because i just started using lemmy through the voyager app and its been a challenge yo figure it out lol.
-2Screenshots can be doctored, still interested in em tho. To my knowledge this is the one posted on DEC9. It was taken down as substack called it impersonation. I have not seen any evidence that verifies it. There is also no real metadata we can pull from it outside of what was archived on the page to my knowledge.
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What I think would be most helpful to settle this would be individuals with forensic expertise. A forensic web data and a forensic writing analysis. I don’t think its beyond plausible that someone with mangione’s technical prowess would be able to write codes and implement protocol that would lead to a website being published the day he was arrested as others have suggested in other threads discussing this document.
I also think the one police released to the press is favorable for police because it can be used to paint an image of mangione as unhinged with convoluted political beliefs.
-3You already made up your mind and you are only looking at things that goes your way, no matter how weak, while questioning everything that goes against it.
The world can be complexe, often not how we would like it to be. People have all sorts of contradictory beliefs. Especially if it's an American about politics.
6You're not wrong. Americans and their political beliefs are mostly colored by the propaganda they consume and believe is unbiased. But unbiased reporting went out the window when reagan vetoed the fairness in media law in 1987 and bush sr vetoed the second attempt to codify this law. Since then the american media machine is nothing more than spiffy polished millionaires with acting experience being payed handsomely to lie yo the rest of us by a small group of wall street military and prison industry profiteering billionaires. So i take everything the news puts out with a massive grain of salt.
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thank you for this
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