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Liberals On Violence

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Honestly maybe we should be calling them the tankies at this point

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That Palestine pic is beautiful though, shot of a decade

edit: just learned the guy got kneecapped by a sniper because of this pic :( poor guy

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- Pretty incredible how slings were invented even before the bow and arrow and they’re still used in modern conflicts today
  
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  It's one of the simplest and cheapest ranged weapons though it requires significant training to use properly.
  
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Ukraine seeking to eject and assimilate ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine and Israel seeking to eject Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are actually very similar.

The ethnically defined pro-western group that seeks to eliminate the ethnically defined “other” is supported by the west.

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- And how similar were the liberal takes about Hamas and LPR/DPR, and accusation about Iran/Russia help.
  
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They are actually very consistent and not hypocritical at all if your ideology is colonialism. That's why calling out hypocrisy doesn't work, that's just to keep us busy.

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- Correct take
  
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- Yes, it's only one political ideology that's an issue, definitely not all of capitalism and western culture. 🙄
  
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  In the end, it’s the same
  
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You'd think they'd be condemning the Ukrainians for using violence against the Russians. But I guess their bloodlust and racism against Slavic people spoke louder.

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No it's different because they're fighting for their land and their families and their very existence as a people.

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- Why not "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Israeli children"?
  
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violence is only acceptable when done by white people

Death to America

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All of these libs wouldn't even be talking about Palestine if it weren't for Hamas. The arrogance of their fake-ass pacifism.

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- I would argue that there wouldn't be much of a Palestine left to talk about if it weren't for Hamas, Israel would have probably successfully purged them from the country. We all saw how effective the last peaceful protest went over.
  
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Ukraine is almost done, I think it will end next year, hopefully Isn't real will follow pretty soon.

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- I think there's high likelihood of that.
  
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I mean … one of these is a violent conflict where mostly civilians are being hit, on both sides. The other is a country defending itself from an invasion. One of these is really complicated and I’m pretty sure violence won’t solve much. The other one really isn’t complicated on the same level and violence (defense) is pretty much the only choice.

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- Yes. The Palestinians are defending themselves from an invasion by another country while Ukraine and Russia will have to find a way to peacefully live next to each other.
  
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- Ukraine isn’t “defending itself from an invasion”. Ukraine’s democratically elected government was overthrown by a US sponsored military coup. The coup was carried out by Nazis that want to ethnically cleanse ethnic Russians from the territory. The Russian majority areas voted overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine and called on Russia to protect them when the Ukrainian coup government invaded them.
  
  Russia’s goal is not “conquering all of Ukraine”. Russia’s military objectives are
  
  Halting the ongoing killing of ethnic Russians in the Donbas Republics by the Ukrainian nazi coup government.
  
  Disabling the nazi coup government’s military capacity to act as a staging ground for US attacks on Russia.
  
  Russia has continually offered ceasefires with the only substantive condition being “stop killing Russians”, and the nazi coup government has been unwilling to negotiate because the US has told them they’re not permitted to stop killing.
  
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  Don't bother with him; that's a treat-obsessed techbro peckerwood
  
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  Well, that at least explains what community I ended up in. Thanks for the clarification.
  
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- Unfortunately isn't that simple. If you would like to know more about the Ukrain conflict than please read "How the West Brought War to Ukraine: Understanding How U.S. and NATO Policies Led to Crisis, War, and the Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe" by Benjamin Abelow. It gives a far more balanced en factual analysis about the conflict.
  
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  I got a free pdf version here if you are interested.
  
  https://annas-archive.org/md5/193c4b51b5aa5c3270c9163200f0d475
  
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  Maybe how the conflict itself came to be isn’t simple (and calling anything simple that involves politics is probably always wrong). But the situation for the people in the Ukraine itself is pretty simple. They’re being attacked and they’re defending themselves.
  
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- One of these is really complicated
  
  Its not complicated
  
  The Ukraine War is actually the more complicated and nuanced one. So its incredible every time to see people come here and get that backwards.
  
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  I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
  
  yewtu.be
  
  inv.zzls.xyz
  
  yt.artemislena.eu
  
  piped.video
  
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- One of these is really complicated and I’m pretty sure violence won’t solve much.
  
  We're talking about the Ukraine-Russia conflict from the Ukrainian government's perspective, right?
  
  Right? :padme:
  
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- First situation sounds a lot more complicated tbh.
  
  Also consider, for the most part Russians and Ukrainians are both Christian or secular. The intercultural "divide" is played up by both governments and the war makes it possible. Now look again at Palestine/Israel.
  
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