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I feel that the original quote “better a pig than a fascist” is more relevant and important these days than this take
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Someone at studio Ghibli recently said something about gen ai, apparently. But yeah agreed.
Edit: I've come out from under my rock and news has reached my as to why this quote is relevant again. The original quote seems more fitting over the ai one now.
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There's a point I've heard that the kind of slop that gen AI can be used for is good for fascists, because they're not trying to say anything or make it cohesive, they just want a glut of vague sentiments they're agreeable to, and gen AI can give them that without having to deal with pesky artists who have thoughts of their own like, "what you want is bad, actually," "maybe fuck you," and "I will stab you in the eye with my pencil."
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The original artist of this is AdiFitri
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Did he paid studio ghibli for making a draw of their characters? Did he asked the authors of the character for permission for using its image?
Is not that how it's supposed to work for anti-AI folks? Or is it "rules for thee but not for me"?
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It's the same rule, "fair use". Copyright isn't absolute, it needs to strike a balance between "give creators control of their thing" but also "people deserve to participate in our collective culture."
Making a one-off drawing of a character and not trying to make money off of it likely checks the fair use boxes (it's an explicitly fuzzy system, so a trial would be needed to say for sure if it's fair use or not). Whether the training set for a generative AI system is fair use or not is still an open question, but many feel that it can't be, as it's operating on a massive scale (basically every image ever created by humanity) and has the potential to eliminate the entire industry of humans selling the art they create, which copyright is supposed to protect. Ghibli isn't going to be harmed by someone drawing a picture of their characters for a meme. It could be harmed by another company making money off of mass production of knockoffs of their style which were created with thousands of unauthorized copies of their direct artwork.
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I have no respect of a AI user who use AI and call them Artist.
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Hey, guess what! Your argument is so inane, even OpenAI is now convinced it was a really stupid idea too. But sure, go on pretending that freely available fan art by a single person is exactly the same as a paid service by a multi-billion dollar company.
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I still stand by Generative AI being a useful tool. It's just in the hands of big unilateral corporate tech rather than a public state, and artists depend on IP laws to gain profits to live, rather than being supported by a robust welfare state to provide art for a robust public domain.
Related, the post-WWII programs in England that fueled the Rock-&-Roll boom in the 1960s (with the invention and development of the electric guitar). Socialized art is a system that works well!
And yes, we'll probably have to collapse the current civilization and rebuild it with mutant animals before we get there. < sad, disappointed existential dread face >
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Great post, drew out a couple of the most annoying kind of person on the internet so I could block them.
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I prefer to tag them myself. Let's be know their opinion is less than worthless and i can still dislike their stuff if i run across it in the wild.
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Just remember: a medical doctors opinion on why your car broke down is less valuable than a mechanics opinion.
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Can anyone explain the context? Nad something happened recently?
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Chatgpt got really good at generating images and a lot of more people are testing it and some people are salty about it.
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I feel like all the people out there are mindless NPCs that just do anything a big corp say it's cool. make me feel helpless
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As someone who uses generative AI, I don't use it out of some mindless obedience to corporations, but rather because it can massively reduce the work needed to perform certain tasks.
I think the fight against AI is a losing battle. Better to push for regulations in energy usage. (And no, I don't give a fuck about artists' intellectual property. I think intellectual property rights are holding humanity back in order to enrich a few artists who falsely and arrogantly believe themselves to be original thinkers, and who furthermore believe that being an original thinker gives them the right to prevent other people from spreading their ideas or thinking of the same thing.)
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So, you think the need of artist to eat is a problem?
I mean, if anything an artist do it's worlds patrimony then they will me above the rules of capitalism and don't need to use money for food and tools, right?
I mean that will be the best solution, the artist will be able to do art and not content just to gain some bucks.
But no, the solution its a machine that generate content and take out the only weapon the artist have to being able to survive in this economy.
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Good to see Porco Rosso getting some love!
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Bullying people who does no harm to anyone is cool now?
Many people use gen AI for completely innocuous tasks. And for many things that harm nobody. Still you take pleasure insulting and degrading Innocent people.
That's not better than any other bully/oppresor.
Don't act surprised when people stop helping and having solidarity with your fights when you have spent a decade insulting everyone around you.
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There's nothing wrong with making fun of someone for making a bad life choice.
Bullying people for things that they can't change about themselves is different. That's not cool
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This level of insult is bullying.
And it's not a bad life choice. Bad life choice is choosing to go online to insult a lot of innocent people in other to feed that bad human in your heart.
These latest years """"left leaning""" spaces have been feeling more like right wing echo chambers of hate and bigotry towards more and more and more people.
Mark my words, this will have consequences, and some people may ask in a couple of years how is it that no one came for help when they need it. And they shall remember that the blatantly insulted those they will be asking for help and that people just got sick of them.
At least it's what's happening to me. There are many places I won't show up for helping, that I would have helped in the past. But I cannot stand next to people who have show me that they have the heart as full of hate as the alt-right. We will most likely end up forming our own spaces I suppose.
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I'm not particularly worried about losing the "likes generative AI" demographic, especially if they're not going to support more important movements because their poor choices are being mocked.
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Glad you are ok with it. Because that's what will happen. And you may not notice in the echo chamber but an big chunk of the population just uses generative AI for a lot of different purposes. And does not share your views about it. People is diverse, and that includes diverse opinions on copyright/copyleft morality.
And you will eventually lose everyone who is not exactly like you, because "you don't care". And then you'll be alone.
And when they come for you, and you are alone you will post this comic strip of "first they came for..." And blame on others that you are alone and no one show up to stop them from taking you.
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'No harm'
How much CO2 was generated in the creations of these shit posts?
Could that energy been used in some way that generated something more than chuckles?
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Less CO2 than playing a videogame.
I can generate an AI image with my graphics card at 100% in 5 seconds, probably less.
I gaming afternoon can be 5 hours with the same graphics cars at 100%.
I suppose you are also worry by the increase of CO2 usage in 3d art, or in digital art instead of pen and paper art. Are you not?
For me it takes less processing power to generate an AI still than to render a frame in blender with a lot of lighting, shaders and whatnot involved.
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Artists who oppose AI shouldn’t be allowed to use calculators.
They don’t get to shit on anyone bad at art, while they can’t do basic math without technological help.
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Calculators don't need heaps of power to run. Calculators are not trained on the copyrighted works of artists. And that's only the start of the issues with your argument.
What a shit take.
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Perfect analogy for someone who knows nothing about art or math
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Explain it to me, oh wise one.
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Bruh just because you don't like one technology doesn't mean you don't have to stop using another. Like not all programmers have to like OOP languages and they are still allowed to use whatever they like
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