"We would be less confidential than Google" – Proton threatens to quit Switzerland over new surveillance law
If passed, new rules would require VPNs and messaging apps to identify and retain users' data
It's always nice to see companies claiming to care about privacy walking the walk. In this case, all the way out of Switzerland.
walking the walk
But they haven't?
yeah, so far this is just talking the talk. but with a bit of luck we may not need to see them walking the walk
I would hope Switzerland isnt stupid enough to do this. Their reputation as a country is based around trust. Dozens of highly profitable privacy based companies would be forced to relocate.
While these companies make up a very small percentage of the GDP, they'd take people out of work, hurt their reputation, and take a minor blow to their budget.
Though, this isnt considering future prospects; the Proton suite is getter better, fast. It wouldn't surprise me, if in a few years, their suite could rival Google's or Microsoft's.
It could be very profitable in the future, but kneecapping the VPN would really slow things down.
Weakening encryption, or access to it, in any way, shape or form should be seen as a violation of human rights, democracy, and national security — a crime against humanity — resulting in lifelong imprisonment.
I don't know if you noticed but no nation is holding up to their reputation right now, even the progressive nordic ones
Can we have technology that's secure enough that it doesn't matter what country we are in?
Not as long as somebody else is hosting the server.
I think you are confusing secure with available
There are several dozen paths to securely hosting on someone else's service but they can still pull the plug on your server
If you do it right, they can image and pen test it all they want and get nothing out of it.
Just almost no one bothers to take the time
Yes
The bill did not pass in the first stage of the law making process as all the political parties rejected it. Also, I'm very certain that even if it passed the first few hurdles, someone would make an initiative against it and that initiative would win 9 out of 10 times as most Bünzlis are serious about their privacy and would feel like their freedoms are being taken away by such a law.
So…… We got an alternative to Switzerland as a country? Historically I always thought they took digital privacy seriously. But it seems tides are changing.
We got any other GDPR countries as good as Switzerland? How about the Netherlands?
Or is this gonna turn into a game of finding a country that just doesn’t care about digital surveillance?
Be careful with any EU country… there’s a weekly attempt to introduce backdoored encryption, because “pedophiles” and “terrorists”.
The alternative is to leave cloud services, use GnuPG to encrypt your mail on your device and use a VPN / TOR for any interaction with the net.
VPNs - and even Tor - can be compromised, especially by government cybersecurity agencies, although attacking Tor may require more resources. Some VPN providers, even those that charge for their services, have experienced significant security breaches (just search for terms like “VPN loopholes” or “VPN hack” on Google). Free VPNs are generally even less reliable, and there are rumors that some may function as honeypots. Tor, while offering stronger anonymity, tends to be slower - routing traffic through multiple nodes adds considerable latency.
At the rate we going corporate won't able to provide privacy if privacy becomes illegal
Self hosting is likely the only option until ice gestapo starts raiding residentces of freedom of enjoyers. Which is the likely final stop before complete re enslavement of the plebs
One of the biggest motivators behind open source privacy is that we categorically cannot trust a profit driven entity with absolute security because every business will screw over its customers for the shareholders
IDGAF how transparent or egalitarian a company claims to be, there is a dollar price on their confidentiality, and now we have billionaires that can literally meet any price
Not everyone lives in a pristine 1st-world country.
Plebs being fucked directly correlates with their their proximity to the imperial core.
With that being said. Foss don't discriminate like that
I am using them while I wait for Tuta drive. Tuta better hurry up.
I heard Trump in the US is doing loads of good stuff about big tech’s power; they should move there.
oh man if only this didn’t hold water for Andy
