Ukrainian government reacts to American billionaire Elon Musk's 'advice' to 'stop resisting Russia' and urging the world to 'sympathize with the Russian occupiers'
Ukrainian government reacts to American billionaire Elon Musk's 'advice' to 'stop resisting Russia' and urging the world to 'sympathize with the Russian occupiers'
In his statements the US billionaire “proposes to allow Russia to commit crimes against Ukrainians”, Mikhail Podolyak, advisor to the head of the Office of the President, wrote on social media. “When someone who sits comfortably thousands of kilometres away from war and importantly argues about othe...
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I am really tired of this piece of shit getting himself involve in things that he have no remote understanding of.
130He understands that papa Putin will release the kompromat if he doesn’t say this.
20I'm willing to bet even the people he hires at SpaceX feels the same about any input he offers
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His family made their fortune because of Apartheid. It makes sense that he'd sympathize with the occupiers.
97He is pretty fascist, so its no wonder he sides with them.
48You can take the Afrikaner out of South Africa, but you can't take the apartheid out of the Afrikaner.
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Ukraine should put him on their list of Russian propagandists
74Dumbass.
Edit: I mean that billionaire thundercunt. Not you OP. I bet you are fabulous.
62Fuck Elon Musk. Fuck ignorant lazy billionaires. The mega wealthy are ALL the problems wrong with this world.
57yep especially the arrogance. sure he can share his wisdom, but maybe first go for an internship in the ukrainian army, little elon 😉 then I'll take it seriously
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I am so sick of this cunt.
56I think he wants Ukraine to fold so he can peddle his shitty inventions to Russia without pesky sanctions getting in the way, whilst styling himself as a great diplomat.
45That he disabled Starlink to thwart a Ukrainian offensive already showed as much.
5145 people upvoting misinformation.
Quote from Walter Isaacson, the author of the book this claim originated from:
To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.
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You're giving him way too much credit calling them "his inventions". He didn't invent shit
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What a joke of a man
44Lets see how many downvotes directly quoting the source gets me.
urging the world to 'sympathize with the Russian occupiers'
And we should have some sympathy for the Russian boys as well as the Ukrainian boys, because Russian boys, because boys didn’t ask to be on their frontline. They have to be. So there’s a lot of sons not coming back to their parents, and I think most of them don’t hate the other side. It’s sort of like as this saying comes from World War I, it’s like young boys who don’t know each other killing each other on behalf of old men that do know each other. The hell’s the point of that.
Elon Musk's 'advice' to 'stop resisting Russia'
Well, I think that what is likely to happen, which is really pretty much the way it is, is that something very close to the current lines will be how a ceasefire or truce happens. But you just have a situation right now where whoever goes on the offensive will suffer casualties at several times the rate of whoever’s on the defense because you’ve got defense in depth, you’ve got minefields, trenches, anti-tank defenses. Nobody has air superiority because the anti-aircraft missiles are really far better than the aircraft. They’re far more of them. And so neither side has air superiority. Tanks are basically death traps, just slow moving, and they’re not immune to anti-tank weapons. So you really just have long range artillery and infantry ranges. It’s World War I all over again with drones, thrown old drones, some drones there.
He “advised” Volodymyr Zelenskyy to abandon the counteroffensive and agree to peace talks with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that. Whoever goes on the offensive will lose massive numbers of people and history will not look kindly upon them.
35Most of this is just general "war is bad for everyone" and the old "the ones fighting the war aren't the one who want the war". It's true but it's also really nothing new or especially smart.
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that
This part though is what I find problematic. This way of framing the current situation suggests a few things:
- Ukraine is the one deciding for this war to happen
- All that would be needed to stop this war would be talking with putin about a truce
- Putin attacking Ukraine is sort of a "higher power" like a natural catastrophe that just has to be accepted
It also completely ignores a few things:
- The lines are only this stable because Ukrainians risk and lose their lives every day to defend them. Stopping this would mean a truce would be no longer negotiable. Because why would Putin suddenly stop the efforts to move the lines once resistance has stopped?
- Putin is the one responsible for Ukrainians going into this war and dying at the frontlines, just as he is responsible for the russian soldiers that are dying there
Also: Telling a nation to just roll over and be invaded is such an american thing to suggest.
Edit: This also misses the whole thing where other countries might accept you as a refugee if you desert the russian army, if you really didn't want to fight in this war.
54So, yeah. The article accurately represents the source, based on the quotes you shared. There's a lot more appealing to people's emotions in the source, but he's still saying the same thing.
6Exactly. It’s all sympathy for the devil platitudes.
3"Think of the flower of Ukrainian youth!" sounds much better than "stop resisting and let the Russians occupy part of your country", though
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"Stop resisting and just sympathize" is also how Elon Musk got ten kids.
29Maybe the rat can visit the front line for a couple of months and see what Russia has done before chiming in.
22A day will suffice
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No, fucker.
21This is, was this POS thought all along and is another proof for his total lack of empathy and inability to think ahead.
The world should sympathise with the idea of sending Muskrat with an one way ticket to Mars.
20Do humanity a double service and fly to Mars.
And stay there.
18I bet he's gonna buy Channel One Russia next.
13I was going to say, what is he trying to buy/sell in Russia now? Maybe they don't use starlink yet?
6He could buy literally anything, I just joked about him getting control of state owned television.
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Man typical asshole moment
7These links does not work. Where is the source?
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Why does this quote seem... Inaccurate? I've seen Muskrat speak a few times and he's seemed to have a basic understanding of the English language? Never heard him discuss the flower of youth?
Yes. I advise him (Zelensky - ed.) not to send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in the trenches... I think he should meet Putin in person. The reason why I proposed some kind of truce or peace a year ago was that I predicted almost exactly what would happen, namely: many people would die due to the lack of tangible changes on the front line and the loss of the flower of Ukrainian and Russian youth," he said
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It's from a +2 hour podcast he did with Lex Fridman. Transcript in the description. You only need to listen the first 20 minutes though. Good luck trying to find him saying the things he's accused of here.
1It’s insane to me how many peoples opinions are based solely on bullshit headlines and rage comments. It’s fucking embarrassing. Read the fucking article and then ALSO think for yourself. Don’t let the retard internet mobs think for you.
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+2 hour podcast he did with Lex Fridman.
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Motha F..... rr
4Ukrainian security and world order depends on Elon Musk shutting the fuck up. If he doesn't, his money won't stop motivated governments from shutting him down.
2I'll take Shit That Didn't Happen for $200, Alex.
-3On the other hand: This news article is crap. why not actually read the interview Musk gave: https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-4-transcript After having read the part about Ukraine, my interpretation would rather be: Even an idiot like Musk is able to give a pretty good analysis of what‘s happening in a war like this.
-13The links does not work, but was it really based on that interview?
I think his take on the topic was reasonable - it’s allowed to just not want any more death or suffering on either side - but not realistic.
It was also one sided - you really can’t focus on what Ukraine can do without also saying who started it all and caused the war in the first place. He never mentioned that Russia started it and how easy it is for Russia to stop all suffering and achieve peace. At best you can say he’s given up on Russia, don’t think they’ll change, and try to get Ukraine to stop more suffering. But is that really realistic - did Russia stop after Donetsk in 2014? It’s not reasonable to think it will be different this time. Give Russia peace for 5 years and let them rebuild their strength? They’ll just start again and set target for Kiev.
3Link still works for me. I was curious wether he really said that thing about youth being the flower, so I looked it up. And he really did. The other things mentioned in the article were there, too, albeit in a more coherent fashion. It‘s true he doesn‘t demand that Russia should stop. They should, but they won‘t. And realistically this war will go on in the trenches with the youth of both sides dying.
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