What could happen if you would just walk into a police station and say: I want to turn myself in and I take the 5th.
Of course without committing a crime before and without saying anything else.
I plead the fifth
That’s just filling a false report. That’s illegal almost anywhere, but you need to be more specific than what’s in the post.
but then the person wouldn't been lying about having committed a crime
submit report saying I violated this law
instant "this sentence is false"-style paradox
legal system implodes. Complete anarchy takes over
Non-snarky answer: My guess is that after not answering any questions they'd assume you're just trying to waste their time and tell you to leave or actually be arrested for trespassing.
I looked around, and I think it depends heavily on where in the world you are. Over here I think only calling emergency numbers knowingly in error is a crime, but there are provisions that in extreme cases you could be held partially liable for someone else's harm if you are actively wasting the time of the police or the firefighters.
Jussie Smollett knows all about that
I live in New Zealand so me rambling about "the fifth" would probably make them call Social Services to come and help me since I would seem to be suffering from a mental health event.
Either that or they would think I was trolling and send me on my way with a stern reminder that wasting police time is a criminal offence.
I've seen videos filmed in NZ of people ranting about their constitutional rights.
You're right though, they'd assume you're either a nutter or a troll.
@Ilovethebomb yeah I met a "Trump supporter" here in NZ once. If we have a lot of them, it's probably an indication that we're underfunding mental health and education.
Well they do have rights, it's just their constitution is not one singular document. Kinda like us in Australia with our "implied rights".
But yeah anyone going on about them is most likely the 'Sovereign Citizens' sort. Dunno how the fuck that concept has spread around the world so much.
So New Zealand doesn’t have a concept of the courts can’t make you testify against yourself? That surprises me.
Of course we do.
But it derives from common law via the New Zealand Bill of Rights and has nothing whatsoever to do with the US Constitution's amendments.
"The fifth" is American. They have the same or similar concept in other countries, they just have different names for it than "the fifth amendment".
Plead "the fifth" in NZ and they'll tell you that you watch too much American television.
In America, it would totally depend on your skin color.
Of course without committing a crime before and without saying anything else.
You will probably commit a crime or misdemeanor unknowingly on the way to the station. There is a reason you do not talk to the police, even if you think you're completely innocent.
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They'd probably call social services or a doctor because someone going on about a "fifth amendment" in Switzerland is clearly in need of medical attention
I once read about a man who was arrested in (I think) either Serbia or Croatia who told the police that he was taking the "fifth amendment" because he'd seen that on TV in a dubbed American show and thought he could do that there too.
ETA: And many people in German-speaking countries think that if you get arrested by police in a German-speaking country, you are read a translated Miranda warning: "Sie haben das Recht zu schweigen. Alles, was Sie sagen, kann vor Gericht gegen Sie verwendet werden. Sie haben das Recht auf einen Anwalt. Wenn Sie sich keinen Anwalt leisten können, wird Ihnen vom Gericht einer zugeteilt."
Canadian here, I guess offer directions to the airport so they can get a flight to British Columbia?
"Sir, this is a Wendy's"
You'd be told to leave. If you didn't, you'd be arrested for trespassing. And being a fuckwit.
They'd probably search the database for anyone wanted of your name/description. And when it came back blank they'd probably leave you in a room for a few hours to see if anything happens. And then let you go.
Leaving you in a room for a few hours is a virtual certainty.
If you turn yourself in you forfiet your personal belongings. They'd check your ID and see that you have no warrants and tell you to fuck off
So you'd be giving up that fifth you walked in with (Scotch or bourbon, I'm guessing)
Without any crime to suspect you of, they might detain you and question you. It's not uncommon for people to turn themselves in for crimes, and there are legitimate reasons to do so especially with a lawyer, namely to get out on bail easier, avoid having the police raid your home or place of work, and perhaps used to sway the prosecution for a more favorable sentencing, but if the police have no clue what to even charge you for and they can't figure one out, they'll just be confused and frustrated, which is a dangerous combination for police
playing with fire, teasing the man children with guns with a math problem that is unsolvable is likely to invoke a poor outcome.
Well they routinely murder folks who are doing nothing wrong at all, so I wouldn't risk it
On one hand, you’re right. On the other hand, I’ve never heard of someone entering a police station and being shot
The last words Michael Chad Breinholt heard were, “You’re about to die, my friend.”
[…]
With his hands cuffed behind his back, he briefly wrestled with two officers. One screamed that Breinholt was grabbing his holstered gun. Sgt. Tyler Longman rushed into the room, made his declaration and fired.
VIDEO: A Utah Police Officer Killed a Man Inside the Police Department. It Was His Third Shooting.
Step 1: Be black.
Step 2: Walk into the police station and say you're there to turn yourself in. Say you have something you need to show them.
Step 3: Reach into your jacket.
the fifth ? are you sure ? it's a little old-school, evokes holy music... I would go for the third and the seventh instead, just to shake things up. Cops aren't used to daring chords like these, you'd totally destabilize them and they wouldn't be able to jail you
The fifth always evokes Star Wars to me, so maybe you're right about holy music.
The officer would likely look up, tell you to get out, and go back to their work unless there was some obvious reason to arrest you.
Unless they felt like issuing a fine of some type for wasting their time.
You should call the non emergency number during the day and ask to speak to a manager and then ask your silly question and see what they say lol
Assuming of legal age, Not an officer or lawyer but think they'll detain you for erratic behavior until the situation gets sorted out
Most likely, in my opinion:
Hold you for 24 hours to see if anyone reports a crime and describes you as the perpetrator.
When no one does, find a crime which seems plausible for you, and where they've gotten a description that could possibly fit you.
Interrogate you about it, giving you your lawyer of course. Assuming you do not have a solid alibi for that particular crime, there's a real chance you'll be charged and eventually convicted.
If you do have a solid alibi, they might keep looking for other crimes to charge you with, or they might give up.
If they give up, they're likely to charge you with something related to wasting their time, for which you will at minimum have to pay a fine.
In my state a police sergeant can have you held for a psychiatric examination if they determine that you are a possible threat to yourself or others. You'd be transported under guard to the nearest locked ER and be examined. If you kept playing games you could spend 30 days in a locked ward and be liable for the bill.
If the cops decide to be extra nice to you, they could get you a public defender. They'd be overworked and advise you to stop playing games.
Interesting. Where I'm at any cop can hold you for a psych eval, but they have to have damning evidence that you will hurt yourself or others. I'm pretty sure no cop here, and by extension their department, or the doctor at the hospital, would be willing to risk a lawsuit because you refused to answer questions about a crime. The civil rights violation (because they're retaliating for you taking the 5th), would be a bonus on top of the unlawful detention.
The situation posited means OP is either crazy or stupid. Either they are a psychiatric patient who has knowledge of a crime, or they are some kind of jerk who is wasting the time of the police and hospital. Depending on how the "patient" presented themselves, I think that most judges and juries would side with holding them. Also, by claiming they have information, the cops would be within their rights to hold the 'patient' as a material witness.
"Interfering with government operations" is a crime in most places. I used to work in public health field, and I have absolutely no patience with people who use first responders of any type as playthings. If you feel the need to act out, hire a professional and leave the civil servants alone.
What is a 5th? And why is everyone talking about that?
The 5th Amendment to the United States Constitution affirms citizens' right not to talk to investigating authorities. It's what they're referring to when you see cops in movies tell people "you have the right to remain silent"
They would send you on your way. There’s a show - I think on Apple - called Black Bird about a real life serial killer with a history of false confessions. It’s kind of a significant plot point. Good show.
I would probably get shot immediately, and the officers would later explain that they were "in fear for their lives."
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This is the whitest American question I’ve heard in a while.
This might be the greatest defenition of White Privilege I’ve ever seen 🤣
What does it have to do with skin colour?
White people are less likely to be unfairly targeted by police. I know you know this already.