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Trump White House Considers Dropping Nukes on Iran

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31683994

Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility
The U.S. military has reservations regarding the success of using a bunker-buster bomb, a non nuclear weapon, to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility, buried deep in a mountain. Two defense officials were reportedly briefed that only a tactical nuclear weapon could reach the facility.

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Trump White House Considers Dropping Nukes on Iran

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Trump will drop a nuke before leaving office. He been begging to use one since his first term. They literally had to stop him from nucking a hurricane. He wants to do it. My worry is he will drop one on an American state.
- I agree with you completely. He's fascinated with nukes, and believes naked demonstrations of power show that he's strong. If he does drop a nuke in Iran, you can guarantee that Russia will use them in Ukraine, and that quickly opens the door to a much wider war in Europe. Strategic thinking is not Trump's strong suit, and he's likely to bumble us into a nuclear WWIII.
- I fully expect him to nuke a blue state in a false flag attack. I can't prove it, but I won't be surprised if he does
  
  You might enjoy the short run of the TV show Jericho.
  
  If you can’t prove it, then they are doing the false flag operation right. Well; correctly, anyway.
- My worry is he will drop one on an American state.
  Wouldn't be the first time, but those were on accident and thankfully didn't detonate.
  Edit to add reference: 1961 Goldsboro B-52 Crash
  
  I mean we also blew up a lot of nukes on American soil on purpose too!
  
  Same thing but in spain
- Don’t worry, Los Angeles isn’t a state :p
- WHO GETS THE NUKE FIRST? IRAN, GAZA OR THE FIRST HURRICANE OF THE SEASON! sadtimes.
  
  What’s the us city that matches the following:
  democratic
  least amount of white people
  more than 100k inhabitants
  doesn’t have critical military infrastructure
  Trump doesn’t go golfing there or at least doesn’t like to
  
  NYC
- I would be scared if I lived in New Mexico …
- That phrasing is kinda racist, yo

Same guy that kept ripping on Zelensky for "instigating" nuclear war

If this were to happen, it would be a green light for Putin.
Let's hope to all fuck that our idiotic congress or who the fuck ever, prevents this abject, fucking, idiocy.
- Congress isn't stopping him doing anything. I don't see them suddenly changing just to prevent global nuclear war.
  
  Congress’ billionaire handlers all have their doomsday prepping done, so they won’t interfere.
- excluding few hard left or right leaders, our entire congress works for aipac so fat chance of that. they will approve nuking LA and SF if israel told them to.
- I thought I could write solid, dark comments but your comment about having our only hopes based solely on congress wins all the awards for darkest comment ever written.

Something tells me he has already given the order multiple times but the people around him have to carefully explain to him why that’s a very bad idea until he backs down.
- Or they're just running clips of Oppenheimer for him

"We want to stop nuclear proliferation by starting a nuclear war." - these fucking geniuses, apparently
- Hey, you can't deny the world will have a lot fewer nuclear weapons in it afterwards!
  
  WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

Then I hope the rest of the world does something about it.
- They will write a strong-worded protest statement.

“Art of the Deal”. Always start “negotiations” with a threat to go nuclear, then brag and posture and bully. Deal
- You forgot the part where you Chicken out and go back on everything so you lose on both sides... No one ever sees it coming
  
  Now it's crystal clear how this absolute idiot bankrupt a casino

I'm sure Jesus Christ would definitely 100% want this.
- Jesus was a Palestinian Jew, if Trump met Him today he would send Him to CECOT.
  
  Talked about sharing and didn't like rich folks. This admin ordnance a huge fan of brown socialists.
- Nah, would be massively out of character for JC... his old man on the other side... well, HE got a nasty temper from time to time

What a great precedent that would set. Seems like humans are moving towards ending all life on earth. Just another dead rock in an infinite vacuum.
- Not to say that nuclear war isn't bad, but we literally don't have enough bombs available to do that.
  
  I just very much believe that a chain reaction after a nuclear war will kill everything alive on it. Almost certainly all humans would be gone pretty soon.

What is a country? A miserable pile of war crimes.
Turning a habitable area full of innocent people into a pile of radioactive rubble and dying people why? Because fucking the Israeli government wants to genocide palestinians without resistance? Damn we fucking suck as a country

So we'll have a war of aggression with Iran for? We don't like them? Israel has committed more violations of national borders and laws. The KoSA and Egypt's citizens were involved in 9-11 and they are "allies".
- If any other country did the things Israel has done, we'd be sanctioning them at a minimum. We invaded Iraq both times for less.
  
  Hell we made up lies about Iraq
- Maybe they've got Saddam's missing WMDs. . .
  
  All that freshly baked yellow cake
- Yeah but israel is our colonial outpost in the middle east, they can do whatever they want
- 9/11 killed a lot of Americans, ice kills Americans, do you see the pattern here, Jimmy?

He is going to back pedal because Iran is his boss's (Putin ) ally. He is once again talking shit he has no intention of backing up. I could see him ordering a nin-nuke strike on something that wouldn't get him in trouble with his handler though as a fake tough man move.
- He floats the craziest idea so that whatever happens he can say "at least I didn't do that one thing" and his base will praise him for it--even though the thing he actually did was still moronic. This is the "permanent 300% tariff", "Canada will be the 51st state", or the "Golden Trump Gaza" video. It's the only way this imbecile knows how to negotiate.
  
  The Golden Trump Gaza, what a fucking joke. I could be totally wrong but I'm going to take a guess and say that the Gaza strip is one of the most bombed out places in the world. If true it'll be littered with unexploded ordinance forever or at least practically forever. He wants to make a giant Mar'a Lago? Sure okay, I'm sure your guests would enjoy the risk of losing a limb or being killed cause a forgotten bomb goes off 10 years later.
- He's gonna backpadel because he is a wimp, a paper tiger, he doesn't dare to send people to war as he's chickened out of Viet Nam.
  TACO

Ah yes, very smart, let's use a nuke to blow up a nuclear facility. There couldn't possibly be a much larger explosion and spread of radiation because of that.
- Explosion no. Extra fallout, maybe. But the facility we're talking about is deep underground, so even if it happens, hopefully that contains some of the fallout.
  
  Unfortunately, ground burst or partial underground bursts are significantly dirtier than air bursts. You only get partial completion of the reaction on the parts closer to the ground or underground which further irradiates the debris that is kicked up. Its all kinds of bad news.
- Well, there actually wouldn't be a much larger explosion, that's just not how nukes work.
  A nuclear explosion is an incredibly delicate process, and the material just won't go critical because there's another detonation nearby. It's not like dropping a bomb on a dynamite warehouse. There's not a great analogy for what it is like though. Expecting a satellite launch to happen because you blew up a tank of rocket fuel next to it? Not quite there.
  Additional contamination from onsite material is a different matter. Most nukes detonate above their target since that maximizes damage, but it also reduces fallout. There would, however, be vaporized material that would be sucked into the air by the vacuum created by the detonation. It's not clear if the presence of radioactive material would make it significantly worse than the general "radioactive dust and molten sand" that would normally be sent into the air.
  In general, if you nuke something there's going to be radioactive issues afterwards, and you shouldn't do it. Adding a nuclear facility to the mix is kinda just throwing rocks at the windows on 9/11.
  
  tons of enriched uranium becoming part of the fallout plume and spreading across middle east and possibly some parts of europe and asia is a very likely outcome.
  netayanahu is scum enough to not care and trump is too stupid to care. then there is possibilities of pakistan launching nuke in return on israel and then idf activating samson.
- Sounds like science stuff and facts. MAGA doesn't have any time for those.
- Just think of the moths it would attract though
  
  This is how you get Mothra.

The headline is a reading into it a bit. They said nothing is off the table, but they are confident that a conventional strike would accomplish the goal.
Not that a strike would happen anyway, but they rarely say that any option is completely off the table. A nuclear first strike should be one of those options off the table, but it's the Trump administration we're talking about.

At this point I’m alright with a nuclear apocalypse, we had it coming. I just hope I’m close enough to a blast sight to not have to deal with the aftermath.

Gleefully sounding the trumpet for the end of the world
Can somebody please please stop him before he kills us all?
- He will commit whatever horrible atrocity he's going to commit, and then the world will say he went too far, and only then will the world put an end to it. But unfortunately, the atrocity will come first.

Worse president than Putin, worse people than Russians considering the power the people ~~have~~ had and the person they allow to do this.

What the actual hell.

"Considers". Fake news. They want the price of oil and gas to go up to please Putin.
- Ya know, I can’t hate this take.

Welp, time to see if aliens really are keeping us from extinction
- They're waiting to see if we can get past this stage on our own.
- Alien Narrator: But they wouldn't.

MADness.
Hopefully someone drops him beforehand.

OK, who had "The opening from Threads but in 4K" on their bingo card?

The fact that experts concluded that a tactical nuke would do the job doesn't imply that they are considering using it. I don't like the US administration, but this is wildly overblowing statements and pure fearmongering.

Just please wait until after I've seen Dune Messiah a couple dozen times in theaters. Please. That's all I'm asking. I don't even need to get laid again, that ship isnt even that important and it happens to a lot of people every day. I just want to see Dune Messiah before we all die.

I vote for tariffs on the nukes pls taco pls

Fine, start a nuclear war. It's the waiting I can't stand.

I'll wait for the US to demand that Israel destroy its nuclear weapons...this may take a while...

The fact is that conventional bombs can't eliminate all the underground and mountainous facilities. This requires either a large ground invasion and occupation, at a very high cost, or nuclear weapons.
A ground invasion can't happen for a number of reasons and Israel and the U.S. can't allow Iran to continue having a nuclear program means that they will see no other choice but to use tactical nukes.
- What about MOP?
  
  What about stuxnet? But i guess no-one involved is looking for non violent solutions.

I mean, it makes the most sense to hit that facility with a bunker busting tactical nuke. Probably the only way to significantly ensure enough damage to end production at the facility.
- No
  You drop nukes and you cross the line. There is a goddamnrd good reason why nobody uses nukes and trump gets in and now all of the sudden everyone and their mother goes "weeeeeeelll, a tactical nuke, might make sense?"
  Fuck. That. Shit.
  You do NOT blow up nukes, ever.
  
  I ask you a simple question: Name the only nation that has already used a nuclear weapon in a war... twice.
  
  So you want / have to hit a facility designed to survive most attacks, even potential nuclear attacks and you chose to not use the weapons best suited?
- You want them to retaliate with dirty bombs? Get into another terrorist pissing match?
  
  I mean, that may happen at any time, that’s how terrorism works.
- When the cure is worse than the disease.

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