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It's astounding that this exact scenario happened at least four times

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Jazz, Rock, Disco, and Rap, at minimum.
- and because of rock, we now have death metal. thanks african americans!
  edit: for people who are interested: https://musicmap.info/
  
  eeeeeeeh.
  I think death/tech death is where the blues influence starts being more vestigial, and it starts borrowing more from classical. Even Polka (what is a blastbeat but a fast polka beat?) Are the diminished scales really from blues? Do the blues musicians play straight 32nd notes the way classical musicians do?
  From an evolutionary standpoint, it definately does, since blues to rock to sabbath to metal, but death metal onwards really feels distinct. Especially symphonic.
- Dubstep has strong roots to Jamacian Dub. https://youtu.be/NUOeHoLCisw. Except for the dub guys, are actual wizards making all of their effects with analog technology.
  
  Also reggea and dancehall come from Jamaica as well, incredible such a small country having so much influence.
- Blues?
  
  It's assumed here that rock is derived from blues
  EDIT : Blues is blues, which is obviously black.
- Funk, Blues, R&B, Reggae, Bebop, Swing...
- Techno came from black kids on Detroit listening to Kraftwerk and then exporting that sound back to Germany
  
  They lived in Belleville, but no one knows where that is.
- Punk
  
  The band known as "death"
  https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL71xICgSKYzlEYreXb96htKm8sacZIa-0
- is this a meme about race, or a racist meme?
  
  About race fetishism and commercial exploitation, I believe

I feel like the roots of basically all western mudic today are African American, if you consider techno to have come from hiphop/r&b and punk rock.
- i was told in "music appreciation" class in college that, even though percussion has been around for ages, anything with a "beat" can be traced back to africans. rock n' roll got big because it was one of the first new things available through the radio, and kids at the time were sick of their parents' stuffy classical music
- In Germany, we differentiate E- and U-Musik. E (Ernst) means "serious" and is classical music and stuff. U (Unterhaltung) = entertainment and is everything African American inspired (Jazz, Rock, Pop, hip hop, ...). This difference basically exists to devalue everything that isn't central European in origin
  
  Yeah... Mozart's compositions definetly are only serious and not for entertainment at all. Stuff like... checks notes "Leck mich im Arsch" or the original text of "Bona Nox". /s
  
  Adam Neely has a good video on this. Music is constantly judged on how well it conforms to "the harmonic style of 18th century European musicians"
  https://youtu.be/Kr3quGh7pJA
  
  y'all should stop differentiating them
- Except for traditional Folk from various European locations. I think this still counts as "Western Music", even if it isn't that popular.
  If you consider the Western World to be purely Northern America, then I think you're right, since Native American tribes are normally not considered Western.
  Imo, the best music comes from a mix of various cultures, I'm a huge fan of Folk Rock/Metal. (Rock and thus Metal obviously coming from Blues).
  
  Definitly true and fair point, yes i meant pop music in western countries. Also still a lot of new classical music being released. I would be more right if i had said 'almost all genres of western pop music have Afro-American roots'.
- That's the first time I have heard techno coming from hiphop and ~~techno~~ punk rock. I thought it was more disco (which also has African American roots of course) and Krautrock etc.
  
  Probably has multiple roots that came together, i believe the name techno has something to do with there being new (tech) instruments and I afaik the drummachines came from hip hop because rock had real drummers but techno also used analog synthesisers in their early days which I guess were not from hip hop but from punk. Disco must had an influence as well, but I am really no expert.

Most of Elvis early hits were ripoffs of black music

This scenario has happened so many zillion times it's not the least bit astounding - something becomes popular with a group of people, then another group and another, in spite of some people hating it or sometimes because of that, and the business world figures out how to make money off it.
- Take country music, for example, and all the black parents who were afraid of it, but the black kids who loved it. /s
  The trend is fetishizing black culture; music is just a part of that.
  
  or, you know, black culture has been very prolific and makes good art so it appeals to a lot of people. I think calling it fetishizing is a bit insulting to the counter itself; as if it doesn't have its own merit.
  dominating the art scene had been historically true of a lot of minorities in various countries. I guess art is one thing you can't take away from people easily.
  
  Yeah my point is that thinking of it as fetishizing black culture is a very narrow view of a much more universal human behavior, where people like whatever they like without bothering to filter it by who found out about it first, and business people maks a buck out of any and every trend no matter where it came from.

"The only art form that Americans have invented, that will commend us down through the years to posterity, is a music born primarily in a community that has the historical memory of being unfree is a supposedly free land" - Ken Burns

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