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  • When in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

    We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.

    -United States Declaration of Independence

    • The declaration really can't be highlighted like that. It undermines the gravity of the letter, but I understand people don't like to read.

      Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.

      Essentially, they say that people are willing to endure suffering for the sake of not having to change their lives. But Then it follows that with

      But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism

      When all people can no longer ignore that the government is forcing everything to have an absolute ruler, the people will come to the conclusion that the government must end by force.

      While a lot of people agree with this, it's not enough. When I go to work, everyone is still going about their day like nothing has really changed. Too many people still have shelter, food, and medicine. That's about to change now. And when people experience that, that is the time they will overthrow.

      The reason they want revolutionary violence to occur earlier than later is because they still have the opportunity to turn the most brain washed against the rest of us.

  • omg guys calm down holy fuck. I swear to God progressive and leftists are the masters of infighting, I wish we could not squabble like this. whatever anyone is doing is good, I know it comes from a good place but we've got to stop all this incessant bitter. people on the right go along with whatever batshit insane plan their chosen lunatics shovel out, while we debate about semantics and methods lmao

  • The civil war that follows isn't even the difficult part.

    The difficult part is coming up with a vision for the time after the civil war. And that's gonna be difficult. If americans couldn't agree on a policy before 2025, why would they be able to come up with one after that?

    • I just want to mention that there's a series of difficulties:

      • practically, a good 20% - 30% are still backing trump, especially among "republicans for life". It would be easy to topple a government if 99% of the population despised it, but if 20% back it, it's difficult because it can retract and re-collect strength.
      • normally, conflicts are decided by who can stay solvent longer, i.e. who has more money. normally, that would be blue states, but if trump can just print money through the federal reserve, then that kinda makes that point more questionable. blue states kinda would have to start using their own currency, or some foreign currency like the canadian dollar or the mexican pesos, to be fiscally independent from washington. that's a logistic challenge to pull off so quickly. but it can be done.
      • then there's a shitload of cultural issues. the vietnam kicked the american's butt because they were fierce and willing to die for their cause, because they were willing to die for their community. america doesn't have communities like that, america is very atomistic, i.e. everybody fights for themselves. establishing a good sense of community is a whole lot of work and takes a long time. i don't see it happening overnight.

    • Ideally, the Civil War takes care of the people who have been making a game of blocking the obvious, realizable solutions to nearly all of the US’s problems.

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