It's equality and it's fair
It's equality and it's fair
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Years and years ago, when I was around 10-ish, I saw a clip from something on TV. It was a young woman and a mother figure talking, with the young woman saying
"I'm not a feminist."
"You don't think women should have equal rights?"
"That's not what I mean."
"Well then, I think you're confused about what feminism is."Always stuck with me.
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I think tracking the downvotes on this one might be illuminating
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And yet here we are. Where many people associate feminism more with men hating and power grabing. So many in fact that feminism needs to remind people over and over again that "feminisim is actually about equality". Shouldn't people come to that conclusion by themselves based on the actions of the movement? We should hear from everywhere "Hell yeah, feminism! I love those people! They fight for equality!". Yet this basic principle needs to be repeated over and over again because people don't associate feminism with it
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Feminist circles aren’t exactly looking at the unjust laws of:
- child guardianship
- female focused education
- mandatory military service
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Pretty much all of my friends who have kids got divorced before the first kid was out of diapers. They all have 50/50 custody and they love it. Is this not the norm now?
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There's a lot going on in fairness! What's the conclusion this statement is trying to suggest? Feminists aren't working hard enough/in full agreement on these specific things therefore feminism isn't worth pursuing?
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Child guardianship and mandatory military issues are problems created by the patriarchy. Dismantling the patriarchy is part of feminism, and feminists work toward this in many ways.
I do see men's rights groups advocating for child guardianship issues, and that's great, they should fight for that and feminists should (and do) support them, but why should the responsibility to fight for this be solely placed on feminists?
Mandatory military service is just fucked up and I think everyone should be fighting this, including men's rights groups and feminists. But again, not an issue that primarily affects women or feminists, so why should they carry the brunt?
Female-focused education, by which I assume you mean educational opportunities created to provide equity for women, are no different than other equity-creating opportunities. If there are systematic issues that prevent a certain group from accessing the same level of education/jobs/whatever, then rules can and should be made to assist those people to have equal access to those things. That's equity, and it builds the path to equality. (Of course, the US just got rid of all of that, so nothing to worry about for US people who have an issue with equity)
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Uh, i can't think of any i know who think 1 and 3 arent problems, who don't, if you get them drunk, have a rant about them in the magazine if not the chamber.
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Feminism is looking into the first two at least. Guardianship mostly falls to women because divorced men want to continue working as they usually earn more and don't want to impact their career. If women and men were paid equal and had equal career paths then that factor would not play a role and the parents could split guardianship either equally as well or in a way that is best for the child.
The second one as well, if women and men with equal education had equal opportunities then there would not be any need to make sure women are ahead education wise. But currently a woman has to be much more educated to be considered for a role so education has to be adjusted accordingly.
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Knowing what I do now about bot campaigns, and thinking back to my experiences online around 14-17, I am pretty sure there was (and is) a concerted effort to dilute the meaning of feminism and create the impression of an army of man-hating strawmen. Their purported existence is a crucial recruiting tool for andrew tate and other misogynist figureheads, drawing impressionable boys into the fold of patriarchal fascism. Only once in my life have I actually met, in person, a woman who believes that men are lesser, inferior, etc. I've met countless more men who espouse equivalent beliefs about women. It's not even close to any kind of balance. All I can do is try to spread this truth but it's getting harder these days. Speaking positively about feminism, as a man, in the wrong irl circles, can unfortunately get you badly injured or worse. But I have to keep trying because I refuse to accept the alternative. The bot problem just really scares me especially with the rise of AI.
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The second wave 'i should be able to wear daddys boot and step on all the necks i want!' And 'lean in' bullshit really polluted it rhetorically.
Also, if people associated good things with the people who did them, no kid who ever needed free breakfast and nobody who needed an ambulance would be racist.
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Idk isn't it just that the name is misleading?!
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After a lot of internal deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that the only way to be fair and balanced is if you consider everyone as a human person first. That primary definition awards them all the rights and privileges of a human person.
Beyond that, "man", "woman", "non-binary", "trans" become me labels applied to the unique human person that you are interacting with. Not dissimilar to other labels, like their name.
There is no extra information applied from the label, it is merely a parameter that the specific human person prefers to have. Nothing more. It awards them no additional rights nor freedoms, and it removes no rights nor freedoms.
In the same way, race should be considered the same. A person's skin color and ethnic heritage is merely part of the definition of each specific human independently and awards no additional rights, nor freedoms, more does it take any away.
IMO, the only way to move forward is if the current generations of adults, mainly millennials and Gen Z, commit to the notion that every person is a human person first, and their rights and freedoms are assigned to them as a person. Nothing is added nor taken away by any sexual identity, or race information that any person may have, prefer, or identify as.
Then we just have to wait..... They'll die off eventually.
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the categorization of people and formation of identity arpund those categories is vastly overvalued/emphasized/etc, fuck that shit
Yesplz. These categories, these boundaries if how we group people and the identities we form around them, are always made for reasons, and often stick around after those reasons-which may have been fucked up in the first place-have faded from being, from memory, from the god(s) damn fossil record. They should be regularly re-examined, and taking them too seriously is absurd.
they'll die off eventually
After brainwashing so fucking many kids. Time is not an ally; it's a terrain of struggle. Do not surrender it.
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The feminist movement is a bit like dating apps. If it accomplishes the stated goals, the need for it to exist kind of goes away.
It always amused me that men who hated the feminism movement never decided to help it along.
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My fil told me his perspective on woman changed when his daughters were born. He also told me woman should be trad wife and provide warm meals to husband after work. I immediately looked at his daughters in the room. Poor things didnt speak up and looked super uncomfortable. All I could think was "Jesus, how bad did he view woman before?"
Feminism needs to exist not only because its literally empathy but Denying half the pop opportunity is absurd given how much more they can achieve. Ppl like my fil drag humanity down.
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Unfortunately when I was highly depressed and even contemplating suicide (exhausting job and bad coworkers), there were a lot of talk about putting men down, and one thing that stuck with me was when women posted about drinking "male tears" and laughing about it.
I cried a lot during that time and I felt that I was being punched when I was down.
Logically I realized that I was not the target audience, but emotionally, it hurt bad, and it left me with a big distaste for feminism.
I am way better now, but I view feminism as being separate from supporting equal rights.
At this point, I will absolutely support equal rights, as other comments in this community can attest, but I can never call my self a feminist.