GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation
GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation
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GitHub just got less independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation
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It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
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I’m only surprised it took this long.
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I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
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I'm not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It's unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There's a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
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It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so... every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
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GitHub is finally dead.
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It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren't immune to denial.
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People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.
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Microsoft buying Github is the best example of the fox guarding the hen house that exists. Even better than an ad company making a web browser.
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It was braindead when MS bought it and kept artificially alive.
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It's not just GitHub. People are also using VSCode, despite it slowly suffocating the non-MS dev ecosystem.
Microsoft switched from the really aggressive "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" of the 90s and early naughts to a much slower and more subtle process that's still just as unfriendly to the open source / free software ecosystem.
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the mergers & acquisitions leviathan eats yet another beautiful thing, just like it ate my precious linode.
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I didn't have many but I'm pulling all my repos from GitHub.
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Still a zombie tho, and its gonna be for a long time, as long as it stays relevant
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Are we moving to Codeberg now?
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Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.
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Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won't get the "drive by" contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.
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There's plenty alternatives.
- Sourcehut sr.ht (possibly other instances)
- Various gitlab instances, e.g. framagit.org
- not to mention git's own web ui which runs under so many domains; some of them might even be open to signups.
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I would like to but I do want some private repos.
Maybe self hosting is the best move from here on in.
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A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.
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Private repos, if you don't need a forge, can easily be pushed to a VPS with ssh
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Doesn't Codeberg have private repos? I could've sworn I've created one.
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The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?
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Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.
We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.
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Username checks out :)
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The company I worked at got acquired by a big tech company. We're switching from Google suite to Microsoft, Mac to Windows, Slack to Teams, etc. It's pretty painful as transitions go, and if not for golden handcuffs I'd be gone.
I'm not sure if I'll ever be happy with Visual Studio though, so I use Jetbrains Rider.
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So your company either works with Microsoft or has a weird idea of security. Teams does not work without taking home to Microsoft. My company tried everything but couldn’t make it work, so they extended their Skype for business service for some years.
I hope they switch to Linux when this is over.
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Because businesses that use .NET are already paying for it with their visual studio subscription or higher Microsoft support. It’s a bare minimum product that has no incentive to improve because no one pays for it. But businesses force the use of it because “we’re already paying for it”
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Ah, the age old Microsoft strategy of bundling.
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Better than Jira IMO, but it’s just the one I use, so 🤷
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Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
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Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (Microsoft is in bed with both.)
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Dies or gets hacked. They're such a shit company.
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Monopolies becoming more of a monopolies while the US is weaponized to protect them.
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shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that's published there if it violates somebody's terms of use?
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I'm finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft's. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
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I honestly don't understand why Github hasn't been abandoned by users at this point. If I were a company, I'd either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I'm just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
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i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
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woah. I really didn't know. I guess in that case it's also strange it didn't happen sooner
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Just move to codeberg or a similar site.
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https://git.disroot.org/explore/repos
Codeberg doesn't allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
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For posterity: https://archive.softwareheritage.org/
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This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
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crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
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They're all avatars of nvidia which themselves
are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip
manufacturing industry. There are underlying
technological current are driving cultural movement ...
Oh no "Culture is downstream from technology"
that is the most cyberpunk thing I've ever heardCULTURE IS DOWNSTREAM FROM TECHNOLOGY
I couldn't find it, but there's a moment where
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And the unfortunate part is that crypto and LLMs are cool tech, but the bros completely ruin them.
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don't use the equality (==) operator, use strict equality instead (===)
crypto bros === AI bros
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i don't think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent
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I believe that's probably why they specify in the headline "at Microsoft" rather than just "independent."
You can have an independent division within a company that doesn't get orders from the company's main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person's oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it's not, thus it's no longer internally independent.
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Self-hosting is the future.
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I'm just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.
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I'm using gitea - why u guys use forgejo again?
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I just half went down this rabbit hole, I'm thinking forgejo is the best option (for me) because:
- they dogfood (they actually use their own product, on the other hand gitea uses github and github actions). This makes me feel more confident in forgejo.
- is not "owned" by a for-profit entity that could change course in the future, creating a big hassle for me down the line if I need to swap to something else for whatever enshitified reason (since forgejo is no longer compatible with gitea).
- forgejo seems to be more at-the-ready for finding and fixing security vulnerabilities in their own app (as proclaimed on their site).
- future possibility for federation (gitea is not planning this according to forgejo site).
Forgejo explaining the differences: https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/
For anyone already using gitea though (like yourself), I don't know of any obvious benefits of swapping over to forgejo right now, unless you have experienced bad stability or issues with gitea firsthand.
If I was to choose for a first install, forgejo seems like the better candidate in my books. Mostly because I can be more sure that in a couple years I wont have to change ship to a new product (incase a for-profit company were to add features that aren't in my best interest).
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I don't remember the details, but something happened to the Gitea ownership structure without warning, and people were upset about it.
As an actual differentiator: Forgejo has an LTS version that which gets support for 1 year. Normal versions only get supported until the next major release (every few months).
https://endoflife.date/forgejo
Gitea to my knowledge doesn't have any LTS.
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All the reasons that others mentioned, plus it sound cool.
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Didn't this clown literally say like lastweek that if you're a dev and you're not using AI to get out? well...he's out and look what happens.
Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.
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I'm in the process of moving mine to self host, I'll put a guide with the steps I'm following so others can follow them. It's really good that git basically provides the thing out of the box. This is ok for most of my use cases which are private repos, or shared with small groups of friends. For public projects, I think we still need a way for projects to be easily found, like a directory. Sadly GitHub filled that space, it was ubiquitous. Not even gitlab or bitbucket approached the massive adoption github has. Even some fediverse version of it would probably have a hard time being that massive.
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The ensh*tification continues. Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Some sort of encrypted collective sharing of the whole through BitTorrent style shared hosting.
I would seriously consider donating a few TB space and half my bandwidth to that.
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Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.
Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).
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Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.
Already being worked on for a while. It's called ForgeFed and being developed by Forgejo (the software powering codeberg). It's an extension to the ActivityPub protocol, which is also powering the fediverse.
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Thanks for this! I’ll check it out.
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You mean like git?
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Like Radicle?
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... Was it ever since they got bought?
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So long and thanks for all the fish indeed
And, which is the real Copilot now? Fuck MS and their terrible terrible naming.
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Side note, now that GH is in Microsoft “CoreAI” it just feels even more gross than before.
My data is front and foremost the product.
I’ve been self hosting forgejo for a few months and it’s pretty nice plus low maintenance. It does all the stuff I care about. I might have to just make a public instance and figure out how federation works or join codeberg or something.
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We've been warned. (And unsurprisingly, Roy Schestowitz is being bomarbed by Microsofters with a chain of SLAPP suits.)
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Lol they're going to integrate it into their business software slop that nobody cool uses
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Can confirm, the megacorp I work for just swapped from bit bucket to github
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I would not hold my breath considering that GH was already supposed to die in 2018 and we are still predicting its imminent end in 2025.
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If they claim it’s dead every year they’re bound to get it right.
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These comment make me curious. How many of you have read Microserfs by Douglas Coupland?
I'm sure most of you haven't, but just curious if anyone has
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I’ve read it but I don’t remember enough detail to understand what you’re referring to.
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I haven't read it myself, which is part of what made me wonder. I'm not sure there is anything to reference in the stories. Just a tangent curiosity
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Here we go...all the grayware GitHub projects are going to be culled
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Can't wait for the extra Product Decay
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Issue on every github project should be "hosted on github" (just kidding kinda not really) Has github ever actually helped discoverability?
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Man, I just got my personal website running on GitHub pages last week, and I'm too broke to host it elsewhere and too lazy to host it myself
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There's quite a few places that you can host a simple site for free.
Plus, linode's cheapest Nanode option is $5 bucks a month, you could spin up a very minimal LAMP stack on that.
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Ya wanna host it on my forgejo instance?
I'm about to move it to a kubenetes cluster once my parts come in.
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https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/userguide/WebsiteHosting.html aws free tier is also an option (although maybe not an improvement in this thread)
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I mean, it's clearly not really been independent for a good while now
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Room temperature take: It has been not independent for much longer than that.
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I'm running a self hosted Gitlab instance right now but thinking of switching to Forgejo. Anyone tried both and have thoughts on each?
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I use GitLab at work and Forgejo at home. GitLab is huge, Forgejo is lighter. GitLab Runner is very nice, Woodpecker was a pain to setup but it now does everything I need. GitLab supports subgroups, Forgejo does not. Forgejo is FOSS with a non-profit behind it, GitLab Inc. is for-profit.
At the end, I like to work with both. GitLab has lots of features, but for my own stuff Forgejo serves me very well and I like the openness of it.
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I have self-hosted both, although admittedly Gitlab was quite a few years ago. Forgejo is faster and lighter, GitLab is slow and huge. Unless you know you need a very specific GitLab feature, I'd go Forgejo all day.
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Perfect question for the Codeberg matrix channel I suppose
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I wonder how Nixos feels about this
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As someone who moved out of there before they got taken over by MS: Told you so. I mean it's been gradual but constant enshittification since then.
BTW, is it just me or is the "at" in the headline wrong?
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Soft serve by charm.sh is also fun to use. If you're a CLI junkie.
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Wtf is this... so awesome yet nerdy and weird. Also love this bit:
You can also skip all permission prompts entirely by running Crush with the --yolo flag. Be very, very careful with this feature.
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Charm.sh is awesome stuff. Many different tools all CLI based. https://github.com/charmbracelet/soft-serve for soft serve which is a git host you browse over ssh
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Hot damn is my self-hosted Forgejo hot right now.
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Can I touch it
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Don't just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.
Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and... complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.
For public repositories... do you think that MS et al can't already scrape all of that?
I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren't getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.
The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.
i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the
gitclient), and i think it fits the bill well.i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.
if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like
tailscale funnelor a reverse proxy server likecaddyand a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”
gog is nice. I like forgejo myself as its dead simple to get set up. But yeah both are really nice.
making my own website from scratch as we speak. The intersection of art and DIY tech, with some anti-censorship guides as well.