Iran shows how it can happen
Iran shows how it can happen
I've not checked the legitimacy of the photo, but the premise is important to note
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You don't need Iran to prove that. Women's rights have already been rolled back in the US, it's a mistake to assume it will stop here.
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When Margaret Atwood wrote the Handmaids Tale she made sure not to include anything that hadn't actually happened in recorded history. A lot of plot points were taken from this situation.
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Wow. I didn’t know that.
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I can't find the interview where she speaks in depth about Iran, it was important for the novel because it was a situation where women experienced going from modern equality to having absolutely no rights.
In this interview she briefly mentions Ayatollah Khomeini (the leader of the Iranian Revolution that created a theocracy and removed women's rights), but she's going over dozens of newspaper clippings of other events that inspired the story.
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The TV show isnt as good as the books
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because the united snake and the British destroyed it's democracy
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But mostly the Americans
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The entire thing started because Iran wanted to wrestle control of their oil back from British Petroleum. The British convinced the US that Iran was going to join forces with Russia.
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Americans have enough black marks on our history without taking from other countries. That one kicked off because of Britain.
It'd be like the US saying it was mostly Britain regarding Afghanistan recently.
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I am from Iran. whatever point you want to make about Iran with Pahlavi dictatorship, this aint it.
the parliament in Pahlavi era was literary just rubber stamp the king orders.
when shah (king) came back with help of CIA it reversed all the mashroote (conditional monarchy) progress and became a absolute dictatorship.
Iranian women condition are way better now than under Pahlavi (outside of dress code laws).
sorry to hear about trump fucking up your rights.
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Worth pointing out, these photos you see of women in pre-revolutionary Iran are a very tiny percentage of urban, professional, women of the ruling class at the time. These photos are not universally representative of women's lives in Iran in that period
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Excellent point. You could say the same thing about places like Dubai and Saudi Arabia.
And some rural places in America.
Society does the oppression before the government does. Anywhere religion is used to oppress women's rights.
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Yeah exactly. If there was no fertile ground for religious conservatism an Islamic theocracy would have never been able to form in Iran.
People do this with Afghanistan too they show those photos of the elite urbanites and pretend like the country was somehow a progressive haven in the desert. But in reality 99% of the people lived in rural communities in poverty where religion dictated their lives. They knew very well that the elites in the cities were oppressing them. It wasn’t hard for the Taliban to rally support for their fight against the elites and Western influence.
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Or, you know, getting stoned in public, or never having equal rights in cases of rape or infidelity.
Not saying it was better under Pahlavi, but it certainly is not equal now.
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in my whole life living in iran the only stoning I saw was on a American drama movie about stoning a woman in Iran.
"equal rights in cases of rape" ?? what? you know Iran has one of the harshest punishment for rape which unfortunately they only define as rape of women (not men). so maybe you are a mens' rights activist in iran??
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Good thing propaganda doesn't work on you, you might have some pretty weird ideas
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My state in the US kept a brain dead woman alive to use her as an incubator. Glass houses and all.
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Iranian women condition are way better now than under Pahlavi (outside of dress code laws).
But what about during shah and early on during ayatollah? Those times seem better for a comparison than late 70's to now
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Even the rubber stamp parliament of the Shah had less women. Ffs, women gained the right to vote only in 1967! And there are currently 17 women in the Iranian parliament. Abysmal, but still far ahead of the era in the picture. That's not even mentioning the extremely low levels of education among women pre-revolution. Don't fall for this kind of propaganda, there's more to women's rights than getting to wear mini skirts as an urban elite. Women are still fighting for equal rights in Iran, and they are still far from reaching that goal. But don't think that they haven't made progress since the time of the picture.
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Uh huh.
How about you just stop defenfing the regimd if beatings and burhkas?
Seriously. Women's rights were improving and evolving until the revelution, getting better by leaps and bounds
But yknow power hungry politicians use the guise of if religion to rule, control and destroy.
But go ahead. Tell me how great it is now. I wtched these events unfold. Most in this thread weren't even alive then.
And yep it wathe pro usa crew that backed the revelution. Thst doesn't affect what was happening in eonebs rights. The zealots were pissed about that and wanted if stopped. They stopped it.
So stop with the thinly veiled Iranian regime support.
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Not relevant to politics, but: I've been watching Youtube videos from Iran on the food, and holy crap does abgoosh/dizi (sp?) look incredible. I bought some dried whole limes to try making it myself but haven't gotten around to it yet.
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There is a "hijab = oppression" idea in here. People were bullying eastern women living in US for wearing hijab at some point.
"Womens' rights is when we force them to dress western."
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Which is funny given that in 10 more years well all be dressing like the Bedouin due to climate change.
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Mosaddegh just rubber stamped whatever the Shah wanted in your opinion?
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Mosaddegh just rubber stamped whatever the Shah wanted in your opinion?
wow. a history buff you are not.
mosadegh came to power as a prime minister after mashroote (conditional and limited king) ,he nationalized the iranian oil and UK got but hurt so they asked CIA to overthrow him in a Coup d'état.
btw that was the first time in history of the CIA terrorist org that they did regime change.
after that even a little independent parliament was not tolerated by shah and it was complete sham after it. he became a complete tyrant and created one of the worst dictatorships ever.
I was gonna say that the current goverment is not even close to that level but that would be an insult to the islamis republic (even with its retardedness). even saudi dictatorship is heaven compared to shah.
you can read the books that shah's own men wrote about this after the ran outside of iran.
please be more informed in the basic of an issue and not be fox news level "expert"
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This photo has some veracity to it; here's a CBC article about one of those female parliamentarians;
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Don't forget that August 28th is women's equality day, the day that the nineteenth amendment was certified, giving women the right to vote.
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Considering people don't turn out to vote anyways; they should move it to October 28th to remind people that it wasn't until 1974 women were allowed to get bank accounts without their husband/father thanks to the Equal Credit Opportunity Act.
I'd like to see how many women who say they're fine losing their right to vote would also be okay with not having their own bank account.
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Rofl money talks
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The day single men lost their last shred of power.
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Also the Seven Mountain Dominion founding members saw Iran as a goal, but the islam replaced with christianity.
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From 1979, it took 4 years.
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In my country there's a guy running for president who wants to revoke women's right to vote. He is not super popular in the pools, but for some mad reason both my sisters support him.
edit: I'm keeping the typo
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What is the mad reasoning? I'm curious.
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"aww, but he is a nice leopard! So we'll spoke, so handsome. He wouldn't eat my face"
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one doesn't believe he will actually do it, the other one, idk
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At a guess... propaganda?
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not super popular in the pools
Now I'm imagining old ladies in swim caps treading water and talking smack
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I'm keeping the typo just because your comment made me laugh, thanks, I needed it
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The current secretary of defense of the US just made a post arguing for revoking women's right to vote, among other things. The supposed leader of 'the free world'. And the Europeans still call Trump daddy.
We'll probably be looking at pictures of US women in a couple of decades and wondering how it could turn into a shit hole.
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Religious doctrination is the strongest influence towards radical acceptance of certain principles. Too bad if God was real he would hate you pieces of shits.
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Ok, but does anybody really think that women's rights can't get rolled back under a religious autocracy?
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Right women?
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If you asked 20 years ago, you would have gotten totally different answers.
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Democrats
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No. The person in the tweet just wanted to post a cliché "women in 1970s Iran" picture, and needed a caption to go with it.
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Have you heard of a place called Senegal? They didn't even need fundamentalist psychopaths. They just had the IMF rewrite their laws after a bad loan and now women carry buckets of water on their heads for miles instead of attending university. (Haven't read up on it in 20 years, could be out of date)
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Are they required to do so by law?
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Unfortunate that it was the pro USA party that wanted to get rid of women's rights. Unfortunate that USA has had a habit of overthrowing governments that want good things for their people. Unfortunate that social media nowadays makes it a lot cheaper to manipulate voters towards right policies, and this is happening everywhere. Fucking sucks.
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a lot cheaper to manipulate voters towards right policies
Not the same for left policies?
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Lots of factors makes that a silly equivalence. The left voters tends to be better informed, so it isn't as effective. The people who are driven to hoard wealth are more likely sociopathic, and individualism and "I got mine" mentality goes hand in hand. The group that hoards wealth tends to be the group that has hoarded wealth that can be used to further make it easier to hoard wealth, which among many things, is spending money on propaganda. Consider the first statement again, which is probably the most controversial - left voters are voting so, in spite of a disproportionate amount of propaganda from private interests. All of this is backed up by statistics.
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What is this post even about, Iran still has female parliamentarians and female commissioners and even female ministers sometimes.
They are a counterintuitive leftist-islamist hybrid, they are also Shia and most of your stereotypes about Islam are from Sunnis.
The rights that have been rolled back are about clothing, which doesn't radically differ from West-approved Saudi Arabia or new Syria.
Saying that Iran is more democratic than the USA might be an overstatement, but I'm not sure it's much less.
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Stop! You’re fucking with their narrative…
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Not great.. but how many genocides are they committing right now? OP isnt exactly wrong, but its an awkward time to be pointing fingers in my opinion. Are we going to send them a sternly worded memo about human rights violations?
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What are you even trying to get at? They are pointing out how easy it is for women's rights to be stripped back down to nothing which a lot of people in the US seem to think is impossible where as iran displays how quickly it can happen. It's literally calling out how shit the US is. Like, are you trying to imply iran as it is today is some bastion of human rights that we should be idolizing? if that is the case your just an absolute fucking moron.
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I was pretty darn clear in my comment. Pretend you dont know what I meant if thats your thing.
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This is a picture from Afghanistan before 1970:
Lord that's depressing