Worse than Mormons
Worse than Mormons
Windows 11 has given me no issues whatsoever. I'm not apologizing for having a great experience.
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Yeah, you should switch to Windows but ethical instead, so ReactOS
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I'm probably the minority here, but I don't really want mainstream folk as Linux user. You people already ruined the internet!
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I've literally never been asked to use Linux, what are you on about
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Honestly, I just wait until they ask me how to do something with copilot. I can talk to them for 10 minutes about all the different AI I can use, even openai before explaining that I don't have to reconfigure office, SharePoint, or M365 to use something else, then I use the L word, and that is why Windows 11 or 12 upgrades disrupt nothing for me. No I didn't have to buy new devices, no my phone works fine with what I have, yes, I can edit that type of file. No, I am not a hacker. Macs are fine, I just haven't needed Apple to get a small fast laptop.
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Don't think it'll stop if you do switch to Linux.
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After that they'll just try to get you to switch distributions, because the grass is always greener at Arch.
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Yeah, and even if you're using Arch BTW, you're not using it correctly! Why would you install a fully featured DE? Don't you know how many dependencies that introduces to your custom built super slick OS? Come on, just use I3! Writing basic functionallity like a shutdown menu yourself isn't that bad!
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Nah, The more you learn about mormonism the more you realize how stupid it is.
It's more like vegans, the more you learn about it the more you realize they're right but you don't switch out of convenience and familiarity. The preachiness and eir of superiority is annoying though.
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Username checks out
Don't feed the trolls
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"If you don't like Linux you're just a troll" is the EXACT energy OP is talking about. Y'all are insufferable. Linus Torvalds is incredibly well known for being a dick because "what I think is right is most important" and that toxic attitude is what keeps most people from giving Linux a second look.
But totally, people hating on Linux are just trolls. Let me guess, you use Arch? You're always the most obnoxious.
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You know Linus acts like an ass, but Balmer is an ass, and Jobs was a horrible person?
And google is amoral in general.
I'd rather side with the rude for a reason crowd, then the polite to take advantage of you crowd.
That said I use linux for a long time now, and only recently would I recommend it to others. And even that not always.
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Under literally every post with the w word the linux cult is trying to concert users. Its helping curating the feed by blocking them though
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Psh. In my experience, Linux users don’t beg people to change their OS. They just make fun of you and act like they’re somehow superior to you for the OS you use.
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..and brag about how it took them 2 weeks to get their printer and scanner working.
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Use whatever Os works for you, no-one should be forced to change what they use.
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That's the thing, many people don't know there is anything else and don't realize "their" machines have slowly slid out of order to the point of not "working" anymore.
When I don't tell someone I know that using a computer does not have to be painful, it feels like an act of cruelty. That only applies to people I know IRL, I feel like most of Lemmy at least knows about Linux. In any case, if anything I'd say the tendency to mention Linux comes from a genuine intention of helping-
Sure, if you're in a space where people aren't technologically proficient that's fair. But this behavior is most prevalent here on lemmy, and i seriously doubt anyone who has managed to find their way to this platform doesn't know that linux exists. It just becomes real insufferable real fast.
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You don't have to use Linux, you can use BSD too
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It’s superior in every way except for the programs you actually use don’t work on it!
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I swapped to linux a while back. The compatibility just isnt there yet unfortunately. Theres too many annoying roadblocks
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These people begging to fix your computer for you... Are they in the room with us right now?
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Have you heard the good word? Linus is our Lord and Savior. I use arch BTW.
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He does act like he is from time to time. And he's even been doing to pull off the occasional miracle.
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Gaben is the fourth Messiah given us by God himself. I use Steam OS which is based on Arch btw.
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i have prayed to gaben to allow steam to close when i close it for many years, but it is still not yet possible. when will you answer my prayers, oh mighty gaben?
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Have fun with your surveillance capitalism
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Yep cuz if it wasnt for the computer I use mainly to play video games there would be no more surveillance capitalism left in my life.
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I went down the privacy rabbit hole, and I think it was bad for my mental health. I decided I don’t care, and what I really want is for technology to just not influence my decisions (e.g. ads influencing my purchasing decisions). Beyond that, I don’t care. I mean I do care, but it’s overwhelming and ultimately the toll it takes on me isn’t worth it.
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Graphene OS on your phone? Or a dumb phone?
No internet connected TV device?
Modern cars also have an embedded sim card that's reporting back data.
Any other "smart devices" in the house?
It's possible, but difficult to avoid surveillance capitalism..... Teach me how.
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Instead of being condescending, you might help people solve the problems that keep them from switching. Or just stay quiet. Whatever you prefer. This elitist attitude is one of the reasons why some people won't even try Linux because they fear they will be ridiculed as soon as they need to ask for help.
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The op is calling Linux users worst than Mormons but "enjoy your spyware" is elitist? This isn't someone asking for help, it's a shitpost.
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I am friendly and will help you switch to Linux 🙂
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This elitist attitude is one of the reasons why some people won't even try Linux because they fear they will be ridiculed as soon as they need to ask for help.
This feels like a fantasy you made up in your head. It's not like you even need to ask anyone for help anyway. All the documentation is out there for almost anything you wanna do on Linux. There is nothing elite about it. Unless you use arch btw.
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I genuinely hope you have a great time with corporate privacy invasions. I couldn't think of a better way to leak your personal information to the world.
I really do mean that.
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There is nothing "elite" about Linux anymore, it's an extremely accessible option and easier than windows in several ways. It's not the 90s. I recently had to install windows on a separate SSD and I was shocked to find I had to manually find and install nearly every single driver. Like wtf, bazzite and Linux Mint does that shit for you
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I only recently decided to switch. The biggest reason for me was setting up Windows 11 on other people's laptops and seeing just how hard Microsoft pushes you to make an account, as well as the occasional ads I've seen. So with Windows 10's end of life, I decided I don't want to put up with that BS anymore. I still have Win10 as a back up if I need it for anything.
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Ok, so if you want to use Windows 11, you do you. Whatever. But don't try to slide lies past us. I use Windows 11 for work, and I see ads All. The. Time. Ads for OneDrive in the file manager, ads for 1Password and Opera in the start menu. When I try to install Firefox or Brave, I get ads for Edge (and again every time Edge updates). I get more nags to sign up for Microsoft 365 than I can even remember. I get ads in the notification tray. I get ads for terrible free-to-play games in the search results page. I get ads for Game Pass on the lock screen.
And yes, I've turned off all the settings. Somehow they always manage to get turned back on whenever Windows updates. I have to have it basically stock for dev testing, so I can't do any registry tweaks or uninstall any updates to get rid of them.
So use the OS if you want, and use a Microsoft account if you really want your usage data to get slurped up by whatever the next thing is (I think it's "Recall" this time). But don't tell us that the snarling mouth in the corner of the room licking its lips isn't there.
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I think you have a different definition of advertisement than the rest of us.
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Windows users complaining every time someone says they like Linux
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No way, if you feel that strongly you should definitely stay on windows.
If anybody else would like to switch we'll help them but you certainly don't have to. Honestly when people are that much against switching switching really goes well.
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Then you obviously know nothing about Mormons.
The church covers up sexual abuse on a routine basis.
Mormonism is inherently homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, and emotionally abusive.
I get that you're probably just focusing on the aspect of their proselytizing but their end goal is nefarious and oppressive.
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To be fair, that's true of basically every Abrahamic religion these days. Religion itself is the placebo for the lazy/weak.
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Use whatever makes you happy and matches your needs. Ignore the haters.
I use arch btw. And Ubuntu. And Windows. And an iPhone. Does it matter?
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It kind of does? Monopolies wouldn't have us by the balls if people didn't buy their shit.
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For your needs: yes, it matters
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I never tell people to switch to anything from their current OS. I only recommend them to use things when they express discomfort or say they're fed up with their current OS. That's the time to strike. If you tell people to switch from something they're fine with... Nah. Going nowhere with that.
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Precisely this, but I find people get fed up with their operating system quite often, so in fact, I tell people that linux would solve that problem, quite often...
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And they still don't want to hear it. They don't want to know they can abandon their shackles and control their own destiny at any time they wish, they're too busy asking the people who shackled them "pretty please" to notice their friends escaping on our own. And evidentially being mad at those who escaped themselves for offering to show them how, according to this post.
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I thought this was the shitpost community
I don't use arch btw
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Arch promoters are the worst. I believe anyone suggesting Arch to convert people are Windows/Mac marketing. If you already use Linux, then Arch could be useful for you. But anyone even remotely new or experienced but more interested in using their computer rather than configuring an OS shouldn't get an Arch recommendation.
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I don't ever see people promoting Arch to convert users from Windows. Plenty of Arch-based distros though, like Garuda, CachyOS, Bezzite, or (not really recommended, but an example) SteamOS. There are lots of great distros based on Arch that come bundled with all the packages most users will need. Arch is just for the users that want to remove every last bit of stuff they don't need and handle it all themselves so they have exactly the minimum they want, which only has minor utility and is not good for new users who don't even know what exists.
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I don't really ever see anyone promote Arch. People have this hard on for hating on Arch users that's based on decade-old preconceptions, and they somehow perpetrate them without substance.
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If you don't want to recompile your kernel every day, you may as well buy a Mac.
I use Mint, by the way.
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I'm actually the opposite on this because I agree. I use Arch (btw) but I'm also aware this is not the OS for the uninitiated. Arch users who suggest it for the jumping off point from Windows are: a) dicks, and b) delusional in thinking this is a reasonable UX, and c) they are actually giving Arch a bad name by suggesting it inappropriately.
I use Arch (still, btw) because I want the bleeding edge on many things, I actually prefer the shell for most admin tasks, and it lets me fully customize my install, not installing any bloat I don't want. But I'm also very comfortable with Linux and have used various other distros before this one for decades.
When a friend asks me which Linux flavor, I try to take into account their use case. Gaming only? Bazzite, SteamOS, or maybe Mint. Productivity? Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Mint. Power user ready for Arch? They probably already know and I don't need to tell them.
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Steam OS which is based on Arch doesn't need much first time configuration. It's the greatest invention since bread slicer
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It is more of a shit post than a shit post.
I do use arch BTW
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Yeah because Windows turned you all into tech-iliterate people and Linux is a good start into learning how to properly use a computer. Recently a Coworker approached me because she needed to move every photo from one folder to another and she has been dragging and dropping them all day but its just to many. While technically some Windows people know its possible with Windows cmd in a one-liner, most if not all Linux users will know the command in a heartbeat.
There is exactly one OS that improves the skills of its users just by using it.
Maybe if Windows and Mac users wont act like a bug stuck on its back once they encounter the slightest hint of a problem and start bothering the Linux guy with it, the Linux guy would be less condescending on their OS choice.
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Recently a Coworker approached me because she needed to move every photo from one folder to another and she has been dragging and dropping them all day but its just to many. While technically some Windows people know its possible with Windows cmd in a one-liner, most if not all Linux users will know the command in a heartbeat.
Uhh...I'm a linux evangelist, but is that command "ctrl+a, cut, ctrl+v in new folder?" Why would you need anything else if they're all going from one folder to another, short of lacking a GUI entirely? Hell, move the whole folder to the new desired path, rename it to whatever the new folder would be named, bam new folder?
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Agreed, however I think in most cases it's more than just tech illiteracy, I think it's actual illiteracy, or atleast an aversion to reading.
From my exexperience, the way the average windows user reacts to an unexpected error message is with rage and frustration while also not attempting to understand the message. Although it can be hard since windows error messages are usually terrible. I think microsoft knows this and that's why newer windows errors look like this:
The average Linux user will read the error and research it to resolve it themselves. But it's a lot easier when the error message is actually meaningful and the community documents issues and answers questions honestly. Although again, it all hinges on the ability to read.
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100% people have gotten so dumb. They dont even know what a file explorer is.
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UGH
apicall create
<stuff>
And then just insert the stuff, what don't you get?? 😩
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My problem with Linux, that is getting better, is that it has largely catered to power users. Simply put most users either aren’t, or don’t care to be, tech savvy. And that is fine actually, because that means they have other things they are interested in and care more for.
Things like SteamOS are catering more towards casual users with a bunch of built in compatibility features that means games work like they do on windows. Making it easier for casual users to make the jump. Now rather than having to know you need 57 compatibility layers (This is exaggeration for effect, yes I have to point this out because I have had some people get pissy at me for doing this) to get things to work like they should they are all neatly bundled together and you have Valve’s promise that they will work here.
Because of the SteamDeck many people were introduced into the world of Linux. Without many of them even realizing that they were using it at first. Add on the fact that it just works for the games people actually want to play and you have a good shot at tackling Windows.
I’m sorry to power users but you just don’t decide what the market cares about really. It’s the casual users, there is just so many more of them that they get to decide what operating systems are supported.
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Linux has massively been dumbed down to allow people like you to use it. Which was a mistake. It was never meant for gamers or people eating their crayons. The fact that some toy vendor decided to build their vending machines on it has nothing to with Linux or its prinary user base. So stop complaining that not everybody is as lazy and as willfully ignorant as you. You're tolerated but not welcome. I hope this is an adequate reply to this thread's title and OP.
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At this point, it's not a race to get people to Linux, but rather a race to get people off Windows and MacOS, which is almost the same thing practically.
We really don't want them to have it their way, as it's detrimental to digital freedom.
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Right? I understand Windows is mass surveillance spyware, but holy shit the Linux proselytizing on this site is worse than any Christian mission, it's straight up ridiculous. If anything, all the constant nagging will further entrench some users into Windows out of spite.
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You use a site populated by tech savvy nerds (I mean that in a good way), what did you expect? Weird thing to complain about. It comes with the territory.
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Have you heard the good word? Linus is our Lord and Savior. I use arch BTW.
Have you heard the good word? Linus is our Lord and Savior. I use arch BTW.
Have you heard the good word? Linus is our Lord and Savior. I use arch BTW.
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I believe everyone has the right to choose whatever works for them. Linux does require you to work through issues at times. I do think people should be aware of Microsoft aiding in the genocide of Palestinians, however.