Netanyahu
- Don't forget the Kims.
- I'd say Putin and Netanyahu are about the same. Two illiberal state leaders seeking to genocide a people.
  
  The global support makes Netanyahu worse
- Netanjahu defends Israel against Hamas terrorists. And Hesbolla terrorists in Lebanon. Why is he a war criminal in your opinion?
  
  @glowinghans you don’t expect to he taken seriously, do you? 😂
  everyone! Here’s a disinformation campaigner!
  callthemout #disinformation
you forgot mr. genocide down in zion...
- Perhaps you forgot Mr. Genocides (plural) in Beijing. It goes to show that we should be careful with hyperboles. This isn‘t a contest after all.
  
  Title is for the "most serious war criminal of our time". There's no hyperbole here. It literally is a genocide measuring contest.
  
  There's only one genocide going on right now. And it's in Palestine. There's no genocide in Xinjiang. I was there last year. There's 24.000 mosques in Xinjiang, Muslims all over and none will tell you they are being mass murdered. Propaganda from the people who are actually commuting genocide...
- Putin, in terms of a single person (don't forget Israel has had multiple ~~dictators~~ PMs), IS the biggest war criminal alive.
  
  Only because USA presidents only last 8 years in power at most
- Comes easily at the second place. But it's only one nation, while Putin is killing several nations at the same time.
  
  Why easily? E.g. the Iraq war was also without UN mandate and depending on analysis could have more civilian casualities.
Funny how using the superlative form ("most") he's sending us into a tailspin about who is "the most serious war criminal". As if that ordering really matters. War criminals being bad is like pedophiles being bad. Sure some are "worse" than others, but all of them are fucking creeps that need to be brought to heel.
Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, past US presidents (yea even that one), Blair, etc. All fuckfaces that every reasonable person should be denouncing.
- of our time, i’d definitely put Netanyahu up there
  
  Netanyahu seems to have be the closest to the violence. Not the most prolific. He has probably killed over half a million, directly and indirectly ,over his long career .
  But while others have killed more ; they are more removed from it, more intermediaries, less day to day involvement with the actual victims .
- This comment should be stickied cause its very relevant to the post.
With a self reported civilian death ratio at over 80%, Netanyahu wins this award by far.
Merz should win the most seriously spineless European politician of the year.
Merz's questionable judgement aside, what would we gain from having a nice ranking of war criminals?
Shouldn't our spineless politicians concentrate on trying to stop war criminals (all of them) instead of starting academic discussions on who's the "most serious"?
- Merz’s questionable judgement aside, what would we gain from having a nice ranking of war criminals?
  a Top Trumps war criminals
- Yeah, the only ranking in that regard should be "is" and "is not". Everything else seems like a distinction without a difference.
- Shouldn’t our spineless politicians concentrate on trying to stop war criminals (all of them) instead of starting academic discussions on who’s the “most serious”?
  It really is not just academic. Resources to stop war criminals are limited. So generally speaking given the choice it is better to prevent a million deaths then a 100.
  
  Limited resources are a very underhanded, if quite popular, excuse to justify inaction.
  "We don't have infinite resources, so we can't do anything" is something that's been repeated over and over in all contexts (and, lately, especially by the right to justify sweeping the migration problem under the rug by paying off Libya/Turkey/etc instead of actually doing something about it).
  People (and countries) should be only allowed to complain about limited resources after they actually exhausted their resources and done all they could: first you do all you can, and only then you can complain that you couldn't do more.
  
  Resources to stop war criminals are limited.
  Can you please explain what the actual fuck you're talking about? What are "resources" here and who is "allocating" them?
Idk, I would probably say that Netanjahu is even worse.
- He doesn't have nearly the power or reach of Putin. Also, Putin's been at this for a long time.
And he is absolutely right. Putin doesn't care about honor, dignity and ethics. He is interested in expanding and maintaining his power and is prepared to artificially keep his war alive as long as he has to answer to the Russian and Ukrainian people. Anyone who invites a criminal into their home will soon be a victim of the criminal's games. Only toughness can stop the insane nationalism of the Russians, deadly toughness.
- Putin's a complete total psychopath for whom human life has no value.
  And yet he's fucking Mother Theresa of Calcuta by comparison with mass baby murderer Netanyahu whose troops actively target children.
  You will notice that Merz has "forgotten" about Netanyahu is this "most serious war criminal of our time" scale.
  This is all smoke & mirrors: German mainstream politicians loved Putin and they especially loved the money they got paid when they retired from politics for "consuting work" or even board memberships in companies like Gazprom, and it took months and a lot of pressure from everybody else in the West to get Germany to start disconnecting from Russia and reduce the money they sent Putin's regime for things like gas which was used by the likes of BASF as cheap raw material in their processes to get a competitive advantage over other chemical companies. Also getting them to actually start supporting Ukraine militarily was like trying to pull teeth out - I remember how everybody and their dog had to send tanks to Ukraine before Germany finally got around to sending their old tanks there.
  I very much doubt that these statements from Merz are any more than pure image management, especially because his "unwavering support of the Jewish State" (his own words) has showned that for him too, just like for Putin, human life has no value when a person is not from the "right" ethnicity.
  
  by comparison with mass baby murderer Netanyahu whose troops actively target children.
  Here I'd like to point out that Putin isn't really better even in this regard. Among the most important targets for Russian drone attacks are maternity hospitals. Then there have been attacks against children's hospitals.
Honestly, there's more stiff competition for the title lately than for the peace prize.
As much as I'd love to agree with it because it's damned close to being true, the real winner is Netanyahu, of course
“Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?” (a famous person from what's now called Palestine)
- In what world is Merz even close to as bad as Putin, let alone significantly worse. The worsed he did was deliver weapons and political backing to Israel. Putin has started the largest war in Europe since WW2 and is activly involved in a lot more conflicts like the massive civil war in Sudan and Syria.
  
  I don’t think the point of that quote is to measure who has the most or least amount of wood, but to point out the hypocrisy of complicity and selective condemnation.
Israel has murdered more children than all other killings in the same time period. Also more bombs dropped on Gaza than on Tokyo in WWII.
- Sudan has some estimates of half a million children starved to death in that period. Putins war in Ukraine is also extremely deadly. Add to that the civil wars in Myanmar and Syria.
  
  OP quotes these numbers:
  Since the [Russian] invasion began, 14,054 civilians, including 730 children, have been killed, while more than 36,000 have been injured,
  That's a Sudan rounding error. Why does the difference in attention not worry people?
Tough words for Mr MealyMouth. I wish he would do that more often.
- I'm the opposite. I wish he would stfu. Idealy forever.
Brutal Escalation of Large-Scale Russian Federation Attacks on Ukraine Setting Grim Casualty Records, Jeopardizing Fragile Diplomatic Momentum, Security Council Hears
Since the [Russian] invasion began, 14,054 civilians, including 730 children, have been killed, while more than 36,000 have been injured, he said, also acknowledging the conflict’s spillover into the Russian Federation where there have been civilian casualties in Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk.
Slovenia’s delegate [emphasized] that Moscow’s second-largest air assault of the war on 28 August saw 620 drones and missiles launched mostly at Kyiv, destroying residential buildings and damaging the European Union delegation and British Council premises. These are “not military targets”, but densely populated areas, she stressed.
Yulia Svyrydenko, Prime Minister of Ukraine, told the Council that the Russian Federation’s 28 August assault [were] killing 25 people — including 4 children — and wounding 63 others. Among the victims was a girl “not yet three years old, born under Russian shelling in October 2022, and killed by Russian shelling in August 2025”, she said.
So many to choose from
- Thinking the same thing. Its making me depressed.
And just like the orange one he is allowed to continue actively being
Wait for China and North Korea, together with India ...
Foreign type he is good. No weapon to Isreal and this. Really.
I may be applying a stereotype, but having a German calling someone "serious" could, if anything, even sound like a compliment.
What does it even mean? A "serious crisis" or a "serious medical condition" is a negatively charged, but not "serious criminal".
Arséne Lupin is a serious criminal and that's a compliment. I am VERY curious about the choice of words.
Also @talkingpumpkin@lemmy.world is right, if this is a ranking, it is pointless if not counterproductive.
- The original quote is "den vielleicht schwersten Kriegsverbrecher unserer Zeit".
  I think "most severe war criminial" would be a better translation.
  
  maybe he's just calling him fat
  
  Is the word in questions "schwersten"?
- Its translated
  Merz doesnt speak English well enough to make such a nuanced comment

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