Cable management is an art form

The extreme detour of the recurrent laryngeal nerves, about 4.6 metres (15 ft) in the case of giraffes,[32]: 74–75 has been cited as evidence of evolution, as the nerve's route would have been direct in the fish-like ancestors of modern tetrapods, traveling from the brain, past the heart, to the gills (as it does in modern fish).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve

Intelligent design. Same with our eyes 🤣 just put them in backwards and thread the cables through the retina; genius. Octopuses are clearly gods chosen "people".
- The intelligent design geniuses argue that the eye is too complex to have evolved.
  "Of course it didn't evolve like that! It started with a patch of light-sensitive cells and worked it's way up from there. And that's happened more than once."
  They have to think evolution means that creatures and features popped into existence fully formed. Not only because that's how the Bible tells it, they can't comprehend evolution on a 7,000-yo Earth. And neither can I!
  You've got the killer argument though. "Why didn't God bother to make our eyes like he did with the octopus?"
The same nerve also exists in giraffes and does the same thing so it is consequently fucking massive.

Are those zipties? I fucking hate zipties whenever cleaning out old installs. They're just about always so tight it feels uncomfortable to cut those when youre dealing with fibres or just about anything, really.

I use velcro ties myself most of the times. If I absolutely have to use zipties, I leave then so loose that they're just guiding the cabling, not choking it.

Just today I cleaned out one +15 years old install and oh boy, multiple zipties there. Awful

They're just about always so tight it feels uncomfortable to cut those when youre dealing with fibres or just about anything
Use dikes, not a knife, and cut the head of the tie, not the strap
- YES
  Flush cutters specifically. And you cut the side of the head opposite the tail with the cutter flat against the face of the tail passing through the head.
- I use whatever I have with me, sometimes I have the tools with me but I'd lie if I said I always carry the toolbag around.
  Yeah I do sometimes have dykes at hand but that shouldnt be necessary in professional environment.
  Still hate the zipties in this context tho
- Nah, use flush cutters and attack it from the side, or just cut the head off.
They’re just about always so tight it feels uncomfortable to cut those when youre dealing with fibres or just about anything, really.
Exactly. Let's use a securing mechanism that requires a razor-sharp blade, held perilously close to what you don't want to cut, in order to undo.
- One of these are safe-ish (not razor-sharp):
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Might I introduce you to the wonder of reusable cable ties?
They have a release tab. You can undo them, adjust the cables, then retighten them.
Velcro is great, till it starts losing it's grip.
Yeah, I'm exactly the same myself.
Also (just the idea of) single use "structural" stuff like that doesn't appeal to me at all.
I love the stretchy rubber ties, the ones that allow you to make two bunches held together yet distinctly seperate.
Great for comms rooms, and also motorcycle cable management :-)
Yeah if you never have to be the one to open it up again and pull stuff apart again then sure. But I'm sure as hell not going to cut and redo zip ties the 4-5 times a year I'm in there adding or changing out something.
I love zip ties as long as they're cut flush. There is a special place in hell for the basrards that rip my forearms open by cutting them a few mil long and at an angle.

Engineering isn’t so different from medical.

Is it though? There isn't one part in the human body that has exactly one specific purpose. Everything is something mushy with basically one main purpose and a ton of side-quests. Almost the exact opposite of what engineers prefer.
- Squeezing multiple features into single components? Sounds exactly like what engineers do.
- Um, can you let the engineers know that?
- I dunno, eyeballs are pretty much unitaskers. Vision gets used to help reinforce balance, reflexes, and proprioception, but that's all in the brain.
  Teeth might be debatable. Arguably they're only for masticating food. The debate opens up whether other functions are physiological and so compulsory, social constructs, or neurological things we do instinctively.
  With everything else, I 100% agree. It's all an engineering nightmare to service and troubleshoot.
- What other functions do the eyes do than seeing?
"Commander Riker has dramatically demonstrated to this court that Lieutenant Commander Data is a machine. Do we deny that? No. Because it is not relevant. We too are machines, just machines of a different type."

I think the funniest part of this post is the nightmares people are getting from zip ties.

I can hear the crunch as i walk across the zip-tie/tail laden floor after several hours fixing the mess my boss made 20yr ago.
- hey i only made this mess last year it just looks that way
Just imagine your brain neurones all neatly zip-tied - no more cross-interference!

There are a few flaws with that in reality. One is too much risk consolidation. Having every artery in the same place means that it's a very easy target for animals or other humans. Another is that it requires far more complexity to actually distribute resources isometricly relative to their need. It's also easier for disease to grow tumors in a giant mass of blood vessels since they are very homogenous. Another downside is that heat is not distributed evenly so it greatly increases the amount of energy that has to be spent on building auxiliary blood vessels which means the animal has to eat more to achieve the same reproductive success.

Life in reality is balancing many things. Thermal efficiency is a big one, material efficiency is another. Defensibility is a big one, and also genetic simplicity is another. Your body is procedurally generated, not created from a blueprint really. Cells create structure via functional logic in large part, although there are hox genes which encode some basic directionality and relative spatial cell differentiation based on its neighbors and the proteins they are presenting on their membranes.

In other words your body is generated more like a Minecraft world and creating very clean wiring and tubing even if there was pressure for it, would be something that would require a ton of genetic complexity. More complexity means that every single cell has to copy these extra hundreds of genes whenever it copies it's DNA, which raises the overall thermal and nutrient cost linearly. This is the reason people are beautiful on the outside but on the inside look very strange. We do put many of our evolutionary resources into beauty but not in places where it will likely never be seen.

Actually I was master debating myself which way to make the meme.
Both seem funny & inaccurate.
What I posted hints to random design without neatness as a priority, yet facilitated necessities in regards to environment (you know, evolution).
The alternative validates how stupid neat cable management would be:
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- we were designed by slime mold that's what it comes down to
- Maybe a good meme would be, "if creationist were right"

Cable bundles like that are not flexible enough to move properly without straining the cables. You have to do concentric twists for that F1/Aerospace quality cable management.

You say such obvious things yet the pics on the link still gave me a nerdgasm.
Thx!
- That website is great. Check the links at the bottom lmao. The author clearly has it out for someone.
- These CAN-BUS Joysticks are really hot

God wiring his new creation: .... oh yeah I need a cable for the heart ... oh yeah, I need a cable to power the lungs ... oh yeah, almost forgot, need a cable for the liver ... oh yeah, need a cable to control the legs ... oh yeah, need some sensor lines for the hands ... oh crap, wired the genital sensor lines wrong ... oh shit, no more room for the lines for the kidneys, maybe if I wire it this way ... shit, need more power lines for the stomach ... crap, need more sensor lines here ... shit, shit, shit, I need more power lines

shit, forgot to install a valve in the heart ... and ofc I now have to take it all out just to get to the heart, right when I got the wiring all nice & neat, ffs
- ..... ah fuck it ... I'll just cover over everything with shrink wrap ... no one's going to see this mess any way ... yeah, just cover the entire thing with shrink wrap

Cable comb and a vertebrae are literally the same thing. Prove me wrong.

Just need to jam all the cables in there!

Then you look up and unplug everything.

Witch is not completely unlike how the wires in the neck work.

Nah man that’s all good copper wire in there rip it out and sell it

there is no copper in these organic veins
That is exactly what a copper vein would say!

Please. Tell Me those aren't zip ties though!

They show up in the worst places. Top offenders are inside A/C units and car engines. Yanno, where there's lots of vibration to help the little bastards cut through insulation.
- Huh... Cutting insulation is a new one for me. I've seen it with adel clamps that chewed through their grommet but never nylon.
  Were they in areas where the wires needed to be allowed too mice but were too constricted?
Zip ties so tight you know the person installing them pulled each one until all of their neck veins bulged out.

I'm currently wiring up a 32U power distribution and test rack with about 1000 discrete wire connections, so I am feeling this to my core.

Zip-tie the tip ties together! :)

Going through a DC consolidation project now and the line techs are fucking clean. I'm slightly excited to overnight patch so I can make this place look good.

I can finally make this mess I walked into look good.

I think I had that CD back in 2008

Tommy John and Ulnar Nerve transit surgeries are what give me hope for our future cyborg selves