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Artisan capitalism

Authors and artists are currently dismayed that AI is replacing them. More and more books are coming out that are AI copies of their own books and artworks on Amazon.

So what are they doing against this. Do they vow to boycott Amazon and stop selling on the retail giant known for countless labor violations?

No, instead they blame AI and "people who use AI" (whatever that means). It's simple not to use AI, they say: learn to draw. Learn to write. Learn to code. Learn to organize your own messy thoughts. Learn to read through the lines. Learn geopolitics. Learn photography. Learn five more jobs.

And perhaps in 20 years from now you can start actually living. People were not learning to draw before AI; they gave up if what they wanted did not exist. Not everybody is going to invest their free time into your hobby.

It's pretty blatant that this is the reckoning of a class of people, the 'artisans', with the reality that the skill they thought would never be automated... is getting automated. This is not speaking on quality, output volume, etc. Without any qualitative qualifiers needed, their work is objectively getting automated. And they are lashing out.

But they sold their work on Amazon for years without complaints, even as the drivers who deliver their physical copies pass out at the wheel from being overworked and not having access to A/C.

I put artisan in quotes because it reveals what they are: the petite-bourgeoisie. Most of them are not socialists in any way, they only care about their profits. The fact that they work mostly by themselves, or as freelance authors (delivering a book to a publisher who then handles the rest of the process, e.g. printing, marketing) doesn't change their class nature.

Even as Amazon itself is investing in AI, like all tech giants, they are still selling on the platform. They will sooner abandon their values than their profits.

I could say more, but it would be a pale copy of this essay: https://polclarissou.com/boudoir/posts/2023-02-03-Artisanal-Intelligence.html, and I couldn't do it justice. You should read it.

I will leave you with what prompted me to make this quick write-up:

Taking his own books off Amazon doesn't seem to have crossed his mind. He sees the sales numbers on the copies and thinks, each one of those is a lost customer.

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  • It's a waste of my time to read a book or listen to movie made by a machine especially with so many good musicians out there doing great stuff. prompters are just tourists, most of the time they are not even interested in the subjective connections, cultures, living artists and artistic languages behind the output of the bending machine enter an AI art group and all they talk about is "styles" to cannibalize the newest models and an endless flexing about their hardware. It is so incredibly lame. they just want an output and pretend there is some kind of artistic language behind it, when all nuances of artistic language were re-produced by the machine.

    It's a thing that disgusts me a little about futurists worldbuilders that imagine AI driven societies. Their proposed cultures are almost always stale and stagnant; there is an almost fascist fascination with ultra-hegemony in the worldbuilding of AI bros. because in a world that has a centralized producer of culture, there are no subjective interactions between individuals. Art thrives in crisis. That's the point of creating ideology, that the "struggle session" of civic interactions will create something new. The so called democratization of art in the imagination of techbros is the privatization and centralization of culture. A world where even subjective crisis is undesirable. I don't see in what aspect that is good for humanity. Hell, i don't see how that is "communist."

  • Something I get bugged by is that people here act as though all artists and writers are petite bourgeois artisans. They'll call ai "proletarian-izing." Which ignores that art like that has been proletarian-ized for a while now. TV shows, movies, and even now video games usually have a large team working on them, with no individual person being wholly responsible for the social labor in the product (this accounts for the highest revenue accruing commodities 96% of the time). Obviously the artists youre talking about here arent that, but I've seen it enough that I wanted to bring it up next time the topic arose.

    The rest of the post definitely feels like "well if you hate capitalism so much why do you have an iphone" levels of argument.

    Also "most of them are not socialists." Thats not...a qualifier of anything? Most proles in, say, Indonesia arent socialist (presumably, if there's data against this then id be happy to change my example) but if there was something they were complaining about we'd take it just as seriously.

    Art is a...hard one. Because you only have to produce the design once (nowadays). If every artist had to manually redraw or rewrite their art multiple times over, they'd love ai (but this, of course, hasn't been an issue since Gutenburg invented the printing press). It's less useful to compare them to artisanal shoemakers or blacksmiths and better to compare them in the modern day to engineers.

    This doesn't really answer anything, and honestly I think as social scientists, it's an acceptable answer to say "we dont have enough information at this time" to make an accurate statement on the subject. However i think at least getting that information down can be helpful in at least putting us in the right direction.

  • Artisans that claim they are for marxist proletariat emancipation but fear the socialisation of their own labour will need to explain why their take is not Proudhonist.

    That post really is an excellent article in truly understanding the Marxist critique of reaction and bourgeoisie mindsets. Another one that people here should read along with it is Stalin's Shoemaker; it highlights the dialectical materialist journey of a worker developing revolutionary potential:

    https://redsails.org/stalins-shoemaker/

    Class consciousness means understanding where one is in the cog of the machine and not being upset because one wasn't proletariat enough. This is meant to be Marxism not vibes-based virtue signaling.

    Meanwhile in a socialist country: China's AI industry thrives with over 5,300 enterprises https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9357646

    Marxism is a science. People should treat it is as such and take the opportunity to study and learn, to develop their human potential beyond what our societies consider is acceptable.

  • It was funny watching all the rich Hollywood actors up in arms when that AI "actress" was announced. They were never part of the capitalist class and are closer to being proletariat "pets" the oligarchy likes to parade around. If capitalism can replace them all, they will.

  • While I see some of the issues here, maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but to me this seems too broad.

    Apart from the biggest artists, publisher relations are extremely exploitative. Many artists whether they're musicians, authors, illustrators, etc. find themselves in situations or industries where they don't have that much control over their own work through being forced to take extremely unfavourable publishing deals.

    In that case, for someone who is attempting to make a living from selling their books and the publisher sells them on Amazon, why and how is this qualitatively different to being an Amazon delivery driver?
    To clarify, this isn't a rhetorical question. I'd like to understand this point.

  • some of the comments i think they're not getting in account that the issue is that most of those writers and artists tied to amazon and stuff (more like amazon rentists, similar to "youtubers" that mostly are youtube rentists) are getting a reckoning of their habit of being used as part of a capitalist machine for the treats of having some "tributes" for enforcing the authority of their lord, but they ignore that the techno feudal lord is replacing them with a new cyber-aristocrat who doesn't want tribute, but works for the machine anyways, and that offends them because they're expendable now....it's my guess

  • Sorry comrade, while I agree that artists are pushed into rent seeking (through the IP regime), the huge majority is proletarian, hell even lumpen proletarian.

    The idea that a skill needs to be developed is also absolutely and undeniably correct.

    I do however agree with your conclusion that artists and everyone else needs to boycott amazon et al. But using the "dont ask people to learn" approach imo doesnt lend itself to materialist analysis as it is a fact that any skill needs to be developed and just because someone wants to draw doesnt mean they have to be able push out lazy copies of world class art. Then again it is clear that "world class" actually again means successful in capitalism.

    I think in the end, it boils down to nothing right in the wrong. But criticizing artists for their choices in a capitalist system is kinda chauvinist so I would probably keep calm and remind them of their class.

    I hope that was an understandable analysis. Feel free to point out holes.

    • I'm really talking about people like in the screenshot, who make their living trying to work "by themselves" as if it was purer than working in a group, or being a writer on contract (i.e. alienated from their labor) - while it's not directly said in the screen tweet, it's deducible that this is how this person makes a living.

      My topic is really about those who make a living off this type of labor and then bemoan that they can't make a living anymore. But instead of turning towards capitalism, they turn towards how capitalism expresses itself as a mode of production - there's been the mechanical loom, the steam machine, computers, and now AI.

      But criticizing artists for their choices in a capitalist system is kinda chauvinist so I would probably keep calm and remind them of their class

      So with all that, regarding the class lines, there are proletarian artists (of all sorts, not just illustrators - but it often gets reduced to that). They work for a company and are alienated from their labor because they get told what to draw, write, or produce. Yet there is also a belief that art can be extirpated from society and somehow exist outside of it, as if it was neither labor nor work.

      What AI has done is not introduce the notion that art is actually part of society and subject to its ebb and flow, because it's always been the case, but revive the topic, because now things that were once thought to be 'creative' and only possible by a human can be done by a machine. Before that time it was only a thought experiment. Again, it doesn't matter what quality the output from the machine is - it exists. It's already being used and we can't even tell, because using the output as the machine gives it is a terrible idea. Instead it's reworked as part of a workflow.

      just because someone wants to draw doesnt mean they have to be able push out lazy copies of world class art

      I don't disagree that people should learn skills. However like I said, before AI people who wanted an illustration but couldn't do it themselves, so they just gave up.

      Like I like writing, I am a designer by trade (not particularly visual design), and I don't necessarily tell people to learn design or to take courses on writing because I know not everyone is interested enough to do it. This is more personal but a lot of the "do it yourself" AI discourse I see revolves entirely around illustrating work and how everyone should somehow learn to draw. Since we made our first tools there has been division of labor, not everyone is going to be employed as an artist. There is also an implication that AI prevents learning, but the user decides if they want to shut their brain off or not.

      The essay I linked makes a point on this:

      Against the idea that artists were just "born with it", many took much pain to explain that all art forms involve a lot of specialized training, that you get good at drawing not through natural luck but through hard work. This reaction responded to an anxiety about being seen as a legitimate field of industry, to be on an equal basis as specialized workers such as engineers, doctors, etc. - and deserve the same compensation.

      Since AI art came in to displace artists, the tune has suddenly completely reversed. Art is now an inherent capacity of the soul, and anyone can do it. Why use these AI image generators when "anyone can pick up a pencil and draw"? Doesn't even a bad drawing "have more Soul and Meaning" than a result generated from the recombination of other art pieces? Suddenly the notion of arts as a skill with technical components flies out of the window. Both attitudes reflect anxieties about seeing your work respected as such, while also refusing the industrial implications of art being a form of work, and subject to the same market forces as all other fields.

      Telling people "just learn to draw it's gonna be better" when my drawing is a shitty stickman figure exposes internalized hypocrisy that we all share in to an extent. For example you said the AI copy is 'lazy', which is a qualitative adjective. I'm not criticizing the choice of word, I find it interesting. What makes an AI output lazier than three lines I draw hastily on a piece of paper? Is it the human component? I think what AI has forced us to contend with is that what was traditionally made by humans is actually not so unique. A lot of artists say AI art is "soulless", but as materialists we don't believe in the soul, so clearly they mean something else - they just don't seem to have a clear idea of it.

      Can someone really look me in the eye and say this is 'better' than anything AI makes because it was made by a person?

      Or is it rather a way to prevent putting art back into its social character, subject to capitalism? Nobody would hire me to draw this figurine over and over again. I can still make it for myself, sure, just like I could also prompt AI art for my own enjoyment (if I enjoyed it).

      Again my problem is with petit-bourgeois artists who see themselves closer to art than to the class struggle, like anyone who sees themselves closer to their job interests than the class struggle. But my question to them I guess would be, how would they like to see their artwork handled in socialism and communism? In the USSR artists were employed by the state on salary to produce artworks, when it came to specific exhibitions or government campaigns. Would they be opposed to that? Art they produced through the artists' union was typically bought by the state for a fixed one-time payment. Would they be opposed to that? The petit-bourgeois artists would.

      • Thank you for putting this much effort into your comment.

        In the end I think it boils down to the electrician who learned to beat a slot into a wall with hammer and chisel vs the one who uses a slot milling machine.

        If they use the machine (which is AI in our example), they are much faster, straighter, more perfect.

        This leads to them outpacing "classical" electricians by a wide margin, yet the classical skill (as we see on rednote every day) needs to be preserved.

        What people who dump on AI do is actually typical reactionary behavior. But same as with the traditional ways of handywork, the question isnt which one is better but which one is preferred for a particular task.

        Same as with the slots, AI produces a finite amount of combinations and by definition stagnating quality, afaik. The slots by the slot machine will be much smoother, much straighter, but they wont help you if you need a particular shape due to your material situation. Having lost the skill of manual labour means you will fail to achieve the goal or at least struggle immensely, which leads to nowadays capitalist crisis as the actual work is being degraded and recycled. AI just accellerates the process and promotes the contradictions inherent in the capitalist system.

        The fundamental problem henceforth is the human supremacy argument. Humans are able to learn and build incredible things, computers are able to obey orders. They are fundamentally, good slaves, much better than humans. Which I think is a positive, but needs eradication of capitalism as the current AI is capitalist in nature.

        And to top it all off, apart from image creation, AI is shown to have detrimental effects on the human brain which is a killer argument against AI on its own. People use AI to think, draining their ability to do the most basic critical thinking which is basically just the way into barbarism.

    • I'd say, "lazy" people deserve to be able to create good stuff too. Especially as putting one's thoughts into images is probably important to most people's mental health.

  • This is the content slop era that has overtaken the postmodern era of art. Rather than a postmodern artist borrowing from the past, questioning their own artistic identity, critiquing traditional art etc. , the content slop machine just cranks the handle for itself.

    The artists are gone or decentered, and the audience is left to consume the slop and be unmoved or be just mildly occupied for a few moments by this imitation of life.

    And the now disenfranchised artists/training-data-donors are left asking where can they get their cut. Like a blood donor, your bag just goes into the system - they don't write your name on it.

    All I am thinking is when this bubble will pop...

    • Artisans that own their own means of production and produce at their own behest, but must perform this labor themselves, are petite-bourgeoisie. They are not bourgeoisie proper, but they live by their own labor and means of production. They are constantly at risk of proletarianization, because they generally can't compete with the bourgeoisie proper, but they as a class are generally more assured than the proletariat. Obviously edge-cases exist, but as a class this is generally true.

      This petite-bourgeois relation is why as a profession it is more common to become mega-wealthy than, say, the upper-paid skilled proletarians like doctors or engineers, even if those skilled proletarians have it better on average. Sanderson, George R. R. Martin, J. K. Rowling, etc. all made their vast wealth from royalties, because they own the IP they created. It isn't a proletarian wage that they recieve, they have a different class character than proletarians.

      Now, the merits/demerits of AI is a different question, but if your only objection is to the correct identification of artisans as petite-bourgeoisie then that should settle that critique.

      • It's no secret that people get into writing to get rich and unalienated. It's the dream of every writer to live in a secluded mansion just writing books all day ala Stephen King and sending that off to a publisher who just says "yessir we're sending it to print right now". I doubt many would ever accept salary work for it even if it was in socialism.

    • Do you sell your art? Commissions? Do you know what the bourgeoisie is?

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