Biden says US does not support Taiwan’s independence following election
Biden says US does not support Taiwan’s independence following election
President Biden had a short message for Taiwan after its election of a new president on Saturday. “We do not support independence,” Biden said on the South Lawn Saturday. Taiwan voters elected Vice…
This is the continuation of settled policy on Taiwan. It is not an internationally recognised nation, it is an autonomous territory within China. Declaring support for independence would be escalatory language from the US and could harm efforts within Taiwan to move in that direction domestically. It would allow the CCP to further push the narrative of foreign interference while lessening the focus on the actual desires of the Taiwanese voters. It's a very complicated situation compared to something like Ukraine.
200How do you compare this to Ukraine?
-31Ukraine has been recognized as its own country since 1991.
14By acknowledging that Ukraine voted for independence from the Soviet Union in the 1990s before Russia did the same. Russia is trying to act like they are the Soviet Union and never recognized Ukrainian independence as opposed to another breakaway state.
Taiwan is the remaining territory of the republic of China, a government that lost the entirety of mainland China in a civil war that neither side claims is over and has just been in a stalemate for most of a century. The koreas are a better comparison than Ukraine.
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Everything Biden said was probably negotiated by entire teams from America’s State Department and the Beijing and Taipei foreign ministries. There would be equivalent language Xi and Taiwan’s leadership agreed to.
Sometimes, with diplomatic situations, leadership says what was negotiated and the wording shouldn’t change. Like, we officially agree with the “one-China” policy but are intentionally vague about whether the CCP would be the “one China” leadership.
It’s like when they have read-outs of what leaders discussed and it’s like, “Biden agreed with Xi to improve trade in important natural resources.” They both probably said “Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You can buy some fucking cobalt or natural gas but don’t test me.” And a state department employee negotiated the official read out.
57I had a friend who worked for the military in Taiwan diplomacy for a while and there's a whole rigid structure around how we talk about it internationally that they hammer into diplomatic and military officials.
One of the things he told me is that the people of Taiwan have to be referred to as "the Taiwans" and not "the Taiwanese," because the -ese ending might give the impression that we're alleging a separate national identity, which conflicts with the official position we've maintained for decades with China.
So yeah, I don't think this statement is worth reading into as anything other than a continuation of our long-standing position on Taiwan. Although admittedly, that position leads to some silly-sounding contortions of language.
29"The Taiwans" thing is unbelievable, but googling confirms it is true. I'm not sure why anyone would think it implies a separate national identity. Nobody would think that in any other circumstance. The diplomacy around Taiwan can be really absurd.
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Of course, Biden has also said that the US will defend Taiwan from Chinese attacks.
Asserting Taiwan is independent before Taiwan does would just be causing trouble that would deteriorate relations with both sides.
52Yep, it's extremely sensitive topic between the two country and if Taiwanese want proper independent, Taiwanese need to do it themselves democratically, not some old man from another side of the earth. If Biden were to say he support the independent, all de-escalation effort between US and China will go down the drain, and only gonna further escalate the tension between the two country.
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What the fuck is it so hard for a politician to say " Our relationship and diplomacy with china is too Precarious for us to openly support taiwan. While we value democracy internationally, we are not willing Take a stance on that issue for that reason."
At least it would be honest everyone knows that's the deal.
19This is like when your spouse asks you “do I look fat?” Then you respond with:
"My relationship with your appearance is too precarious for me to openly support commenting on it. While I value a healthy BMI, I am not willing to take a stance on that issue for that reason.”
36Somehow, I imagine that would still get you in trouble.
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Because everyone knows what they mean and changes in wording are negotiated and set off diplomatic tizzies. I studied international relations and every word is negotiated by ambassadors or state department employees and presidents just say them.
21It would be like someone saying they support American Samoa independence. You'd basically be telling the US that its territories should be independent nations, which the UN recognizes as "a dick move".
What happens if Taiwan attempts full autonomy or China attempts full control might be a different story, though. We'll have to see how trade is going at that point.
16Agreed. The idea that the US should be saying it supports Taiwanese independence when Taiwan doesn't is just a very silly take.
Whatever change in status happens or doesn't happen in Taiwan in the coming years or decades needs to start from the will of Taiwan. There's no reason for the US to be dictating it.
9Not really a good comparison.
If American Samoa had been an independent country for the last 75 years, operating pretty much completely independently, had 23 million people, claimed not to be ruled by the US, and other people were saying "we recognize that it has been independent for decades at this point" then it'd be comparable.
What happens if Taiwan attempts full autonomy or China attempts full control
Are you implying Taiwan isn't already fully autonomous? Or that China has any control over Taiwan...?
3What do the people of Samoa want? As an American I want to know what they want, this is the first in my almost 50 year of life I've even heard the idea. (and about the 10th time total I've heard of them at all - they are not often in the news or discussions)
By contrast Puerto Rico I hear of a lot, but so far as I can tell the people the there are divided and so I guess status quo is just as good/bad as everything else - but this is only because they don't agree on what they want, if they did I'd support it.
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Putting international pressure on Taiwan to declare independence is not openly supporting them.
6Because you only get one message. There's no way to speak only to one group of people.
6Because it’s completely fucking obvious and no president need say it.
2Because even that would piss off China and would result in military and trade tension.
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...Reports were unclear on whether President Biden's fingers were crossed at the time or if knowing winks were exchanged with the crowd. Initial statements also do not include a "no takebacks" clause.
5This is the best summary I could come up with:
China previously warned that the election was critical, as voters could be choosing between war and peace.
Biden’s stance reinforces the One China policy in recognizing Beijing’s claims that Taiwan is historically part of the mainland.
After Biden met with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Nov., he said he “made clear” China should not interfere in Taiwan’s election.
The U.S. announced Wednesday that it would be sending an unofficial delegation to Taiwan after the island conducted its election.
It’s unknown how China will react to the new delegation and Lai’s win, but the country previously told the U.S. that it will “not make any concession or compromise” on Taiwan.
Lai, who said he is open to talks with China, posted on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter thanking voters for electing him and pledged to uphold peace in the Taiwan Straight and to be “a force of good in the international community.”
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3USA policy for decades, at least publicly, has been to neither support nor oppose a particular final status for Taiwan, but to support such status being worked out through peaceful non-coercive negotiations between the two sides.
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After Biden met with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Nov., he said he “made clear” China should not interfere in Taiwan’s election. He said the U.S. maintains the One China agreement and he does not have plans to change it.
Sure yeah. One China. One Taiwan. It’s all good.
2I also do not support Taiwan's independence. I assume he means West Taiwan. It should certainly be re-unified with the democratic republic of Taiwan.
2Not the Onion?
1That's okay, the US doesn't support Biden. He's literally only the president because he's the least smelly piece of shit. Fascism was an even worse smelling pile of crap.
The US population, in general, has no legal and peaceful way to elect a leader that represents them. There is just the false choice of less-fascist capitalist party vs racist, extremely fascist capitalist party.
-18Shut up donkey.
8Okay then, Mr Tankie McRussianbot, let's all hear what fucking genuis solution you have that no one has thought of in the last thousands of years since the development of human civilisation that you believe is superior and allows everyone's voice to be heard.
2Proportional representation, like virtually ALL new democracies. Nobody uses our broken and flawed two party system. It was cool and neat when democracy was newer and novel, but it's super outdated.
I'm sorry you want to bluster about how uneducated you are on the subject. It's pretty cringe. That you resort to name calling just backs up and reinforces the angry, uneducated, cringe look.
I hope you feel better, touch some grass, and learn that better methods of managing a democratic republic are available and have been developed. I'll even start you off with some low effort reading:
5"I'm gonna vote for Jill Stein!"
4Parliamentary systems with weaker heads of state tend to at very least allow a broader spread of parties and ideas to be represented.
2Ranked choice voting
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