1y ago

Now that Win11 has sudo...

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Windows doesn't have sudo, Windows has a thing they're calling sudo.
- It's basically runas, but then it pops up the UAC prompt and you have to give admin credentials 😒... runas is much easier, you give the creds in a command line, no windows poping up, nothing, it just works.
  
  It is a bit like pkexec which also brings up a graphical password prompt.
  
  That's an odd choice... If it was possible all along to just ask for a a password on the command line, why make it popup a UAC prompt? These are developers using it after all.
- i beg to differ
  
  I don't understand what you're trying to say here. (I wasn't the one who downvoted you, by the way.)

- Not only the prompt, but also the credentials screen... i mean... how stupid can you get 🤦. You can't pass the credentials in cmd 🤣🤣🤣 and you made THIS command to be used it 🤣 🤦.
  They have it! It's OK, it's usable, it's called runas, but no, we wanna copy stuff from POSIX OSes 🤪 drrrrrrr...

linux users when the windows sudo replica still values user security and uses uac and doesn’t just let you make changes to core system files because you happened to know a four letter command 👿👿👿👿
- Linux and Unices assume you know what you're doing
  Windows assumes that the user has the mental prowess and knowledge of a 5 year old
  Both can result in disaster, in glorious ways
  
  hate this take. can we stop calling normal, non-techie people idiots?
  it’s like saying the safety on a gun was designed for babies and makes the FOSS community look toxic as fuck.
- Delete the French language pack!
- UAC is no different from having a sudo password. They both have security measures. Sudo actually has fairly granular permissions if you can be bothered to set them up.
  Windows still allows you to modify system files it's just more difficult. If you want a Linux system that doesn't let you do that those exist too, they are called immutable linux distros.
  
  Windows does contain DRM protected files that it will not allow you to touch. Some games on the Microsoft Store for example.
  Not to counter your point, just that I find it insane.
- This incident will be reported
- Real gamers know the way to power on windows is though NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
  
  You can't use that as an account though.
- kinda like when you can password a windows 98 account that can be avoided by simply pressing cancel
  
  those were fun times but how is that at all similar lmao

For those out of the loop like I was:
Sudo for Windows is a new way for users to run elevated commands directly from an unelevated console session.
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/introducing-sudo-for-windows/

Sudo for linux skips leg day

Nothing will ever replace the all-powerful SUDO no matter how hard Microsoft tries.

sudo on MacOS also fits the top panel lmao
- I can't express my disappointment trying to do some things on mac, via ssh as superuser, only to find out I needed to be there in person to reboot in fucking recovery mode.
  
  Yup, oh but don't worry it's all in the name of "Privacy and Security!!"/s
  Personal theory is Apple is slowly getting people used to a PC being a walled garden as much as a phone. They've already stripped the hardware of all upgradability in the name of "performance" and now they're working on the software side in the name of "Privacy and Security"

There's gsudo

Why is it not Admdo?
- Because they wanna copy the cool kids. Just look at Win11 and say that's not a KDE/GNOME ripoff... though the removal of settings thing, looks more like GNOME.

But actually what does Sudo do? Everyone using windows just default to running everything in administrator when something is not working as intended
- Sudo has an even higher authority than what an admin is in Windows. In Windows, you can't (easily) run something as the highest authority there is, SYSTEM. In Linux, that is easily doable with sudo.
  So basically, the sudo in Windows is a joke, because it just runs things as admin... and that was already doable with runas in cmd, if you provide administrator credentials of course. The trouble is, with sudo in windows, another prompt shows up, which is basically the "give admin credentials" prompt (the UAC one as well, if you don't have that one disabled). They could have at least coded it so that it doesn't act like pkexec and ask you for credentials in a separate prompt, but ask you for creds in the same cmd window, which is what Linux does when you type in sudo (asks you for the root password, but doesn't open a second prompt, as expected). They could have done that, but no, they decided to complicate things. Why? Beats me, have no idea.
  So, other than being not a true sudo as in POSIX OSes, it complicates things even more by adding at least one other prompt. They already had a prefectly good tool for that, runas. You just pass the creds in the same command and it runs the command with those creds, simple and elegant. But, they wanted to copy POSIX OSes and came up with a shitshow of prompts and the whole world laughing at their "sudo" which is nothing more than "run as admin", which, as I said earlier, is nothing like what sudo is POSIX OSes.

on linux it's soodough, on windows its soodoo
- Maybe I'm missing the joke here, but it's the latter on Linux. Super User Do = soodoo. Not sure why it'd be different for either platform.
  
  Soo dough gang checking in 😎
  
  Its the lowest of the low: a poop joke comparing windows sudo to doodoo 🙃
  
  It's a bit pedantic, but it's " substitute user and do" it's doesn't need to be root, that is just most commonly used

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