Btw, did the US buy the plans or strike some kind of deal regarding the Arrow?
The US (and everyone else, really) were already working on similar designs. I'm not an expert but I think they were all shelved; the UK ones certainly were, because they started on their own designs after considering buying the Arrow. The major loss was many Avro staff who went to the US. That's what I was referring to when I said the Americans gutted our program; we never fully recovered from that brain drain. We've maintained a pretty strong aerospace sector (the Canadarm being a famous example) but in the 50s we were world-class.
Well, yes, but no. The Arrow was a good plane but was already obsolete even during the design stage, because the role of interceptors was replaced by missiles. Avro engineers however could of course have been reassigned to something else.
Wow, this is HUGE news for Canada - fantastic! I love to see us closer to the EU and I hope we can bulk up our defence sector to what it was in the 50s before we let Americans gut it.
They won't have a source because it isn't true. We overwhelmingly reject any notion of joining the US, and that feeling has only hardened in the last few weeks. Trump — and the lack of anybody stopping him — have destroyed 100 years of friendship. https://angusreid.org/trump-tariffs-canada-retaliation-usa/
Reminder that Canada has a population of over 40 million people and the Canada-US border is three times the length of the Eastern Front in WWII, which is by a long shot the largest front of any war in human history.
In Canada though, we’ve seen a fairly strong repudiation of Maple MAGA and the Qonvoy movement.
Not only that, but the speed and unity behind our response to American threats has been remarkable. I haven't felt our country so united since... Maybe the early 00s? It greatly reassures me that American brain rot hasn't permeated Canada as much as I had feared.
As for the article in the OP, it also bears mentioning that the American education system(s) makes us look like a country of geniuses. At this point it's clear that the average US citizen is not fully equipped to understand the issues at hand.
This is the first time I've seen NZ lumped into SEA and I find it deeply funny for some reason. With that said, CANZUK is getting much more attention these days, and at the moment I'm leaning in favour of it.
Brexit was indeed a dumb move, but let's be honest here, it's nowhere near what's happening in the US right now. I can't think of anything comparable in a first-world country, at least not since WWII.
The more I see stories like this, the more I wonder if Americans can make it out of this hole they've dug. The average inhabitant seems... rather lacking, compared to other developed countries.
They think the economic damage alone will be enough to make us give up. It didn't work in 1890 and it won't work today. We will survive on lentils and water if it means we get to defend our country.
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The US (and everyone else, really) were already working on similar designs. I'm not an expert but I think they were all shelved; the UK ones certainly were, because they started on their own designs after considering buying the Arrow. The major loss was many Avro staff who went to the US. That's what I was referring to when I said the Americans gutted our program; we never fully recovered from that brain drain. We've maintained a pretty strong aerospace sector (the Canadarm being a famous example) but in the 50s we were world-class.