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Once in a Generation Person

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Okay, that's definitely suicidal though. Like, is she actually expecting to get through? The Israelis are executing medics and children over there.
- I don’t think the expectation is they will get through. The goal is to create a scandal that will increase international attention and pressure to make them stop.
  If they hurt Greta I predict there will be a lot of backlash due to her fame and popularity.
  
  I don't think sinking this aid vessel would do anything to change the public conversation. The people who are aware already either condemn Israel or support the genocide. The unaware will not care about a handful more dead innocents.
  The bottom line is that Israel is openly and proudly committing atrocities and the international community is not willing to stop it. Only a military intervention could dissuade the IDF.
  
  Publicly murdering a well-known pretty white girl is the kind of thing that might get the public on-board with military intervention
  
  "she shouldn't have been there anyways", "must have been the houthis with their magic long-range rockets", etc etc.
  Good on her for standing up to what she believes in... but I don't really see it changing anyone's opinions if she's unfortunately murdered, but I hope I'm just pessimistic.
  
  Stop giving Israel weapons that enable them to commit their murders, and they'll stop.
  
  They are making plenty of those themselves though.
  
  With imported fuel, metal and more advanced parts.
  
  Yes, of course, but I believe a broader trade embargo will be even harder to sell than a weapons embargo.
  
  I wish I could agree with you, but the situation in Gaza looks more and more like something we've seen before. After the end of World War 2, the world reacted with shock at what had been done to the Jews - murder has never been committed on such a grand scale and in such organized fashion. Jews had been dehumanised in public long before, being equated to rats and other vermin. The Zionists currently holding on to power in Israel are using the same kind of rhetoric against Palestinians. However, one difference between then and now is that the Rwanda genocide taught us that the world is entirely capable of sitting back and watch the horror unfold, even though we're all fully informed of what's going on. A ship of brave volunteers being sunk would cause a stern letter or at best sanctions. Israel can act with utter impunity as long as they're backed by their big brother Uncle Sam.
  
  Israel can act with utter impunity as long as they’re backed by their big brother Uncle Sam.
  What is to be done? In WW2, partisans helped stop the holocaust. Palestine is such a controlled area, far from the homes of most of us, it feels like there is no action that we can do to even slow the murder we are watching, while our governments cheer it on. So it's not surprising when people start shooting Israeli embassy staff or attacking anything connected to Israel they can find.
  I don't think people want to sit back, this violence strikes a chord in anyone with empathy for innocent people. We can't directly stop the IDF, but there are people, companies and manufacturers in many countries that are supporting this. We need to stop the supply of weapons and components at their source, most of which comes from the US.
  
  And the American arms industry is the backbone of the military industrial complex, bringing in vast amounts of money to the US every year. The world's biggest arms exporter can only benefit from someone else's war. Without that industry, my guess is the United States treasury would become completely overwhelmed by their sovereign debt and collapse very quickly, so the government on either side of the aisle will protect it with all their might.
  
  If they hurt Greta I predict there will be a lot of backlash due to her fame and popularity.
  There will be a lot of "thoughts and prayers", a lot of "how dare you", also lots of "this is a diplomatic incident" sprinkled with maybe sanctions if ever... and that's it, just words.
  I hope i'm wrong.
  
  Also a great way to interconnect the climate and Palestinian struggles
  
  Hasn't her fame faded a bunch in recent years though?
  Also, if executing medics, responders and children won't cause a scandal, this won't.
  
  The media stopped reporting on her for the most part. She's still going strong for the people paying attention
- Let's not call being ready to give your life for a cause being suicidal. Desperate, sure, but not that
- I keep imagining Israeli soldiers screaming "it's anti semetic!" just like South Park "It's coming right for us!" to excuse every hail of bullets.
- The amount of stuff she's been involved in she definitely has main character syndrome and fully believes this'll work out well.
  I don't want it to sound like im belittling the effort. Its brave as all shit and the best cause I can think of, but still.
  
  Pretty wildly demeaning to take someone doing something brave and putting her body on the line for people in need as "main character syndrome". What have you done lately?
  
  I agree. Thunberg is a real hero. I feel like a coward in comparison. We owe it to the people standing up and fighting back
  
  What have you done lately?
  what they have done lately has zero effect on whether the discussed move is smart or not. that is not how stuff works.
  
  We were not talking smart or not, the discussion was about main character syndrom/brave.
  
  brave
  I was talking about the fact that "what have you done" is childish effort to protect yourself from an argument.
  and there is thin line between brave and stupid. only the person with main character syndrom will try to shield a grenade with their body hoping the plot armor will protect them.
  
  Some people are willing to die for others. They don't think they have plot armor, they are aware that they will probably die. It's not stupidity, it's bravery. I find it sad that people tend to belittle this kind of action.
  
  they are aware that they will probably die. It’s not stupidity, it’s bravery.
  if you expect to die and still go through with your plan, that it is the definition of stupidity. if you think you are so important that your death will move millions and finally change things, that is the main character syndrome that is being discussed.
  in reality, she will get two news cycles and that will be it. nothing will be changed and she will be dead. if she really wants to do something, it is much smarter to do anything where she does not die in the process.
  
  Why do you think you understand every person who does something like that? People are different, have different views, motivations and visions. Bravery does exist. There are people willing to risk their lives for their ideals without being selfish and proud about it. It's not always main character syndrome just because you're unable to imagine any other explanation. The world is more diverse than that.
  
  Why do you think you understand every person
  i have not said that. also, the thinking of the people is not relevant here, the result is.
  Bravery does exist.
  it does exist, but going on a suicide mission that is not going to change anything is not bravery. it is useless.
  There are people willing to risk their lives for their ideals without being selfish and proud about it. It’s not always main character syndrome just because you’re unable to imagine any other explanation.
  yes, it is. there are only two possible outcomes. either your death for the cause does not change anything, and then why would you decide to suicide in the first place?
  or you think you are so important that your death will change things, and if you think that, you are just delusional. i am not trying to be asshole here, i am being realistic. if the fucking pope decided to visit there and they would accidentally bomb him to sto'vo'kor, they would say "oops, that was unfortunate" and people would mourn for a week, before things would go right back to where they were before.
  
  Ok, I think I understand. You're thinking of it as a mission with a result that is quite sure - death. I don't think Greta thinks about it this way and even I don't think about it this way. I see it as a mission with several possible outcomes, that is very dangerous amd can result in death, but it's not the only way it can end. The fact we're talking about it here is a good result already.
  
  This has wildly more impact than anything you're doing and what most people like you are doing (voting for more genocide)
  
  oh no. i didn't give up to logical fallacy so now i am voting for a genocide? now that is some debate championship stuff. how was kindergarten today?
  
  So when someone doesnt vote they're the problem, and when they do vote they're the problem?
  How's the average person supposed to do anything?
  
  Nobody said either of those
  
  It was the part where they said (voting for more genocide) that made me think they said either of those. Sorry. I'll work on my reading comprehension I guess.
  
  oh that was just the commenter's childish effort to counterattack and not having any real argument :D
  
  Maybe it will work out. You know what won't though? You doing nothing and very much belittling her on the Internet.
  
  Im just saying nobody with all their marbles would seriously believe it will end in anything but their own death.
  
  They may just block the ships with warning shots or board and capture them.
  But considering how blind with power and impunity they've been as of late... yeah the kid's soon to be dead.
  
  Imagine sitting on a bus and looking at a woman who refuses to move to give up her seat and thinking "man, she must have main character syndrome". If only we had you back there to diagnose her, maybe history would be different now.
  
  Yeah wo/mxn imagine having a time machine
  Edited to fix pronouns likely to cause offence
  
  Wow because someone wants to get of their ass and do something to try to better the world they have main character syndrome. Well then I wish more people had it so they could get off their lazy asses and try to better the world.
  
  No i was more thinking that because she's become the face of planetary eco-warriorism she'll have started to internalise the concept that she has plot armor. Which isn't real in real life.
  
  That is happening entirely in your head, not reality

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