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LIVE UPDATES: TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS IN HUSH-MONEY CASE

www.nytimes.com Live Updates: Jury Reaches Verdict in Trump Hush-Money Case

Twelve New Yorkers are expected to deliver their verdict shortly in the case against Donald J. Trump. He is charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records in connection with a payment to a porn star.

Live Updates: Jury Reaches Verdict in Trump Hush-Money Case

edit: I have changed my title to match the new NYTimes headline. Sorry about the all caps, I guess they are really excited about this lol

Also shoutout to @SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone who shared a gift article link in the comments. I hope you don't mind but I kinda stole it and updated the post

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Guilty on all 34 counts!
- God damn it, don't take my job away from me!
  
  Today we're all flying high, Squid
  
  I was and then I got out-Rikered!
  
  Speaking of Riker's... Riker's Island is gonna have to make some room!
  
  We are all sad trombone players on this blessed day.
  
  Ugh, I hated that character, but I guess that was the point.
  
  Speak for yourself
  
  Sorry, couldn't help it. Still, break out the Andorian ale!
  
  Hey, you stole it in the first place.
- Translation: republicans rigged 2016 election to usurp power, stole 3 Supreme Court seats, passed illegitimate tax cuts for ultra rich, and committed violent insurrection when public legitimately tried to remove them from power.
  Every. Single. Republican. Is. Guilty. By. Association.
  
  That’s completely incorrect.
  Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records. These were the charges in the NY “hush money” trial only.
  Here’s a handy tracker for the other cases from the Associated Press.
  
  falsifying business records
  To influence the outcome of the 2016 election.
  He didn't decisively win, it's not inaccurate to deduce from this conviction that the 2016 election was stolen
  
  It’s true that the contents of this trial can be used for the arguments of the prosecution in the Federal and Georgia election trials, but he was not convicted of any crime other than falsifying business records.
  Trump was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records, a class E felony that is punishable by a fine, probation or up to four years in prison per count.
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-prison-hush-money-trial-verdict-rcna153963
  
  according to The Guardian, for it to be considered a felony charge they had to prove that Trump did it with the intent to commit another crime; The other crime being a New York state law that says it is illegal for “any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means”
  So the election interference charge form part of the existing charges without being separate charges in and of themselves
  
  The main argument from prosecution to this end was that the encounter happened in 2006 (ish, I might be off) but the hush money wasn't an issue until the election campaign. Therefore, they argued, it was paid (and covered up with false business records) to influence the election.
  
  but he was not convicted of any crime other than falsifying business records.
  Cool, but irrelevant as nobody was talking about what laws were technically broken, they were pointing out what being guilty of that means in reality
  
  The felony upcharge requires he falsify in furtherance of another crime, which was argued to be hiding campaign contributions.
  
  Yes. He used campaign funds to pay Cohen for his role as a personal attorney, but the payments were actually reimbursement for Cohen’s initially laid out hush money to Daniels.
  All I said was he wasn’t charged with it. It’s absolutely going to be used to address his character in the other cases, but they may not get heard until after November at this rate.
  The Federal election is postponed until SCOTUS rules on immunity. The Georgia election is postponed until the state Senate investigates Fani Willis, and the documents case is postponed indefinitely.
  I’m surprised so many people think that this proves he’s guilty for all of the cases. We all knew he was before this trial even started. This legally only proves he’s guilty of fraud until he begins another trial.
- So what happens now?
  Fines? Community service? Jail? Nothing?
  
  He'll get 34 slaps on the wrist then become our president for a term that doesn't end until he dies
  
  34 felonies?
  Good one. There will be riots in the fucking streets lmao
  
  37?
  Hey, try not to commit any crimes on your way to the parking lot!
  
  34*** I’ll correct
  
  I just can't see the number 37 without thinking of Clerks.
  
  37! When I kiss you I taste 37 other dicks!
  
  Me since 2017:
  
  We'll come back here in a few years and see which one of us is right
  
  Want to put some money on it? You take tRump, I'll take Biden. How much?
  
  Oh! Not so willing to take up that bet at this juncture??
  Edit:that was for sarln: answer, bro.
  
  crickets lol, so it's a bot
  
  Yeah. SAD. Tagging. For future reference.
  
  If you’re that dedicated to proving a point, I’m concerned for you.
  
  It was an admission that you might be right but go off, dude
  
  Either way man, going back to a post from 3+ years ago isn’t exactly ‘normal’ imo haha
  Not everything is an attack
  
  Challenge accepted? 😶
  
  Won't know till July when sentencing happens.
  
  Most likely, fines that he'll pay for with cultist money.
- What I was looking for - thanks

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