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Report: Apple isn’t paying OpenAI for ChatGPT integration into OSes

arstechnica.com Report: Apple isn’t paying OpenAI for ChatGPT integration into OSes

Apple thinks pushing OpenAI’s brand to hundreds of millions is worth more than money.

Technology @beehaw.org Report: Apple isn’t paying OpenAI for ChatGPT integration into OSes

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So Apple is paying them in exposure? First time I've ever seen that where it might actually be worth something.

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- It's worth more, more often than you think, it's just hawked by random "influencers" with a paltry 50k followers or some shit. That kind of exposure is worthless.
  
  I've heard from photographers and artists before that they will consider exposure offers, but only if you have an actual status. Like a major brand or near-celebrity or a top 50 social media "influencer" with millions upon millions of followers.
  
  And they usually want a contract, i.e. you have to pin our work for X days and you have to tag us etc.
  
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- And Apple gets more usage. It's a win-win for both companies.
  
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They getting ALL the data

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- If you look at the announcement, they’re pretty damn boxed in. They can’t scrap the local device, or iCloud. Open AI only gets queries that the dumber Apple models thinks would be better served by OpenAI. And each of those queries is prompted with a dialog that says “Do you want me to use ChatGPT to do that? Cancel / Use ChatGPT”
  
  That said, on stage, Apple briefly mentioned that ChatGPT plus users would have more functionality. I’ll bet money that’s the real play. LLM model subscriptions in the App Store. Apple loves that sweet sweet AppStore and subscription money.
  
  Question is, do they take a cut like with Spotify, or is basic, free, GPT 4 access payment enough?
  
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- What data? The data that the user affirmatively agrees to send them that is anonymized? That data?
  
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  I'm sure you understand this, but anonymized data doesn't mean it can't be deanonymized. Given the right kind of data, or enough context they can figure out who you are fairly quickly.
  
  Ex: You could "Anonymize" gps traces, but it would still show the house you live at and where you work unless you strip out a lot of the info.
  
  http://androidpolice.com/strava-heatmaps-location-identity-doxxing-problem/
  
  Now with LLMs, sure, you could "anonymize" which user said or asked for what... but if something identifying is sent in the request itself, it won't be hard to deanonymize that data.
  
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  Still really valuable
  
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  The point is that they can use that data for further training. They want to build a monopoly like Google is for search.
  
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I’ll take bets here.

I don’t think the user data where OpenAI makes its money. It’s the $20 a month GPT Plus subscriptions.

Apple announced that Plus users would get more functionality. Also, OpenAI is basically only limited to collecting data from queries that the user explicitly says it wants to sent to a 3rd party model. Each GPT4 query prompts the user with “Do you want me to use ChatGPT to do that?”

Apple’s not really in the business of selling data, but they are famously and infamously in the business of selling subscriptions to shit.

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- And this is the way it has to be! Fuck all this "free" stuff paid by data and ads!
  
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  Google: tries to track your behavior so they can sell targeted ads in their freeware
  
  Apple: aggressively tried to lock you into platforms and ecosystem so they can sell you subscriptions, apps, and hardware
  
  Both shitty, but one company’s business model is much more dependent on user data to exist.
  
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- Plus users do get more functionality, but it sounded like these are just the extra features a Plus subscription gives you anyway (so analysis, image generation etc.).
  
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Pretty sure the data they'll be getting will be payment enough.

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How will this be financially viable for OpenAI? It costs lots of money to run this crap

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- GPT Plus subscriptions.
  
  During the WWDC keynote they mentioned that GPT Plus users would get additional functionality in iOS.
  
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Oh boy, I'd like to see the Data Privacy Impact Analysis for this.

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- Every query prompted with a consent alert, and OpenAI isn’t allowed to rummage around through iOS, MacOS or iCloud. If the more private, but dumber, Apple model can’t do the job, you get this alert.
  
  My guess is that, since the data collected is from GPT 4 queries, and requires expensive compute, the business move is actually around subscriptions. The data probably isn’t worth the expense query compute.
  
  Apple announced that GPT Plus users would have more functionality, and if there is one thing Apple is exceedingly good at, it’s selling subscriptions to shit.
  
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- And yet if you look at the technical details, between Google, Apple n Microsoft. This does seem to be the lesser evil for privacy.
  
  Of course if you have like a degoogled fairphone il bow down to you but if you also have a windows pc you’re screwed either way.
  
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... not anymore? 😁

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No, the payment is apple users’ data, is me. If I can’t turn it off completely, I won’t update the OS.

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- Chill and do some reading. It’s not only opt-in but can be disabled at any time, and it’s opt-in per request. It’ll tell you before anything goes to ChatGPT and even then it’s anonymized.
  
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  It is not absolutely safe and anonymous. If I can’t just turn it off completely, it’s unacceptable for me.
  
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