I dislike the establishment left, but 2016 was one of the most propagandized, misinformation filled, and corrupt elections - in no way can it be considered an "easy election".
Hindsight is 20/20... The electorate sees no where near that well, and didn't at the time.
The truth is fascism and pseudo or proto fascism is never an easy thing to defeat, because it breaks the rules and can appeal to forces and parts of human nature that most politicians won't or can't run with. This is why most fascists are praised as gifted speakers - even Trump - because they're appealing to powerful parts of human nature which are usually not spoken about in politics, let alone addressed directly.
116Nah, I blame the media. If any mainstream media actually bothered to report seriously on Bernie and especially the turnouts he was pulling at his rallies, we probably would have had more than enough people energized to vote in the primary and the general. Instead, the MSM acted like Bernie wasn't a real candidate. I stopped supporting NPR after how dirty they did him.
87She had completely hijacked the entire democratic party and pulled an assload of shady shit while she was running in order to stay on top. And then she goes into the debates with Trump and acts like she's some insipid Susie fucking homemaker. She even had one of her idiots feed her questions beforehand and managed to still fuck it up.
Her big mistake IMO is in not being her bitch ass self and wrecking that fat pompous dipshit on the debate stage. I was excruciatingly disappointed when I watched those and didn't see the dragon lady of America eating his ass for breakfast. So yeah, she lost that shit all by her self by not being herself.
75How much do the Democrats need to mess up before they can be considered to be working with the Republicans instead of against them?
Clinton was one whoopsie in a chain of mistakes that has led us here.
Edit: I am getting a significant amount of replies saying that I'm being mean to Hillary. To be clear, I'm not dogging on her. She did her best. I'm upset at the Democratic party for putting her against Trump. She lacks charisma, it's not her fault.
63I mean.. I voted for her.. I tried to convince others. I'm cognisant of the media, Russia, the DNC..
She also kinda forgot to campaign the rust belt and took for granted the folks on main St that didn't bounce back with wall st, yet "took a risk on a black guy" and got burned by "intellectual corporate Democrats"
She never set foot in states she didn't have to lose and it felt like Michael Moore was the only watching in real time with me.
41If you're still talking about Clinton, you're why we got Trump instead of Sanders and I hate you for it.
40While she's not free of blame for losing, the primary opposition party candidate colluding with a foreign power to manipulate the election definitely had more of an effect on the result than anything she did. DNC emails poisoning the progressives support for her while Comey's investigation into being made public (because of Republicans leaking it) eroded away the support of independents and undecided voters.
In an alternate world whete the RNC emails got leaked and Comey's investigation of Trump got leaked to the public and there is no way Trump wins and likely is in handcuffs before Jan 20 2017
40You know whose fault this is? Trump's.
There's a million liberals and leftists who made mistakes. But ultimately, Trump and his supporters are adults and they are the ones most to blame for what they've done. Not liking Hillary didn't force anybody to vote for Trump; that was a choice they made.
39Why the eff is everyone here letting James Comey off the hook? The guy who ignored DoJ instructions on not doing anything that night interfere in an election in the 90 days beforehand, and deliberately held a press conference just days before the election to say that Hilary was still under investigation, then 'cleared' her shortly after it?
The MAGAts who were pissed about a black President were never going to vote for a woman, but that Comey presser gave enough doubts to swing the election. And he conveniently 'forgot' to mention that Trump and several of his people were also under investigation. Fuck Comey.
34I still remember how, as people on the ground in Michigan were seeing it coming and begging for more GOTV volunteers, her campaign flatly refused, instead sending volunteers to Iowa thinking she could win a red state and dunk on Trump. After all, the info on the ground couldn’t be better than their New York polling.
She thought she could just with by being not Trump (which, sure, should have been enough), but decided to not provide anything to vote for, rather than just voting against Trump.
She wins, we still have Roe and a bevy of other positive SCOTUS decisions from a 5-4 liberal court (maybe even 6-3). But she and Ginsburg screwed us over.
27Fuckin rich assholes need to get the fuck out of our govt
26Claiming that was the easiest election in history discounts the fact that just under half the voting public didn't respect a very-experienced politician with a history of pro-people causes and perseverance; they wanted the man with no experience and scandals buzzing around him like flies.
Don't hate the player.
25"Get over yourself"
Fuck off Hillary
19At this point anyone relitigating 2016 is fart sniffing. Nobody cares that you hate Clinton and nobody cares if you love her. Nothing good can possibly come from picking that scab over and over again, so either just move on, or preferably, put that energy into something productive, like community outreach, organizing or local politics.
16She wasn't right about a lot of things, specially relating to the Middle East. Misguided at best, malicious at worst when it comes to the Middle East.
14Hillary Clinton has never lost a popular election.
Our electoral system is rigged so that conservatives win by default - unless there's a massive preference for the progressive candidate, and all those excited voters live in the right places. Otherwise liberals fucking love to find reasons not to vote.
7Idk maybe. If conservative media didn't villainize her and all Democrats for decades with their propaganda, there wouldn't be a massive influx of brainwashed idiots running around voting against their interests and inviting the dumbest and worst person imaginable to become a dictator of the United States all while wearing American flags claiming to be true patriots when they're really destroying the fabric of America's democracy.
5I don't think it was a particularly easy election. A majority of the people I know (which isn't much admittedly) protest voted. Most thought her win was inevitable. I bet my friend in February that If it was Drumpf/Clinton, Drumpf would win. If so many people didn't feel burned by her being picked over Sanders, she would have won electoral and popular.
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0Nah. Hillary Clinton ermh how do I put this. Destabilized Libya @_@ which was pretty much a "first world country" before she touched it. For some reason. IE, the Petrodollar. rolls eyes something gold to oil something Gadaffi. Something something "we came, we looked, he died" or something. IDGAF anymore
-5Pretty harsh to blame someone for being born a woman.
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