YSK: If you're on Lemmy.World or Sh.itjust.works you should not subscribe to any Beehaw communities

It's important to note that the admins of beehaw are not happy about this solution, either. And they hope to refederate once they have better tools and enough mods / admins to deal with it.

They point wasn't to shadowban, that was a side effect. The point was to protect their member--who specifically wanted a certain type of safe friendly instance--from hostile weirdos sending dick pics and stuff like that. Nobody's happy with the situation, but it's the best they could do under the circumstances with the resources they have.

I also don't think it's wrong for instances to have their own strong rules and preferences. This is one of the GOOD things about the Fediverse. The software features and how people use lemmy will catch up eventually.

As for the confusion / chaos around multiple/redundant/competing communities and so on...that will get better over time as people figure things out. Honestly it's not that different than reddit with all of its splinter subs like "true-" whatever.

It's getting pretty tiring to see people feeling entitled to have access to any and all communities of the Fediverse, if the people paying for the running cost of the Beehaw instance wants to defederate (for whatever reason, "good" or "bad"), that's their prerogative.

If you really want access to their content, apply to join, otherwise sign up to any of the dozens of lemmy instances federated to the rest of the fediverse.

One of the great things about the Fediverse in general is choice, user and instance admin can choose how they want to interact, and are not beholden to a company or group which can take any arbitrary decisions they want.

TLDR : Instance admin are entitled to how they want to run it, you're not.

Newbie here. Is there an easy way to identify a beehaw community? I've been hitting the subscribe button left and right to build up my profile feed and I'm just winging it here. thanx!

@SteelBeard@lemmy.world , you should add a link to the announcement which explains why Beehaw defederated since this looks to be the top question many are asking.

Wow so much misinformed hostility against Beehaw here. The mod tools for Lemmy are currently limited and they just want to protect their community from trolls and spam. There's no conspiracy here to break federation.

Okay, guess I just won't use it then if they defed from my primary instance. Glad they did this now and not later when they became bigger and more important.

If they're that into making a safe space then fine. Hopefully some other people will also make more free spaces and both of them can exist and everyone can be happy.

I realize that is a highly optimistic outlook to put it mildly. I must remain hopeful to avoid losing my mind, if I haven't already -.-

And this is why the fediverse will never work out - if I gamble wrong and set up shop on an instance that gets in a pissing match with other ones, I either have to make an account elsewhere (and then have to do it again later the next time two instances defederate each other) or live with only seeing some of my subscribed content.

this is completely reasonable, they own the instance and should be able to do whatever they want with it.

Is there a page where we can see which instances are ban-crazy and which ones actually federate and communicate?

If you don't want to color with your opinion, use a different word than shadowban. They didn't do this with malice as the connotations of that word would imply.

This is a bit of a bummer since I'm interested in a lot of the beehaw communities. Should users just make separate accounts to interact with beehaw communities?

I was under the impression that when Beehaw chose to defederate, it only broke the community link. I thought that someone on lemmy.world could still see the local cached versions of posts, and could even continue posting content. However, only lemmy.world users would see the new comments as the local cache isn't pushed back to the Beehaw post.

What I'm still unclear on is if sh.itjust.works users could see lemmy.world posts to a cached Beehaw post. My guess is no, right? If Beehaw was still federated, the Lemmy.world user post would be synced to the Beehaw post, and then this would be synced to the sh.itjust.works local cache. Is there a mesh feature to Lemmy? Where the local cache of sh.itjust.works will sync comments from the local cache of lemmy.world comments to a beehaw post?

Nice. Its been just 2 days for me using lemmy and im already banned for no reason in an entire server that i do not use just because im in another server. I whana say reddit moment but im getting mixed info into their reasoning. Some say its because they cant mod that much people and just defederated temporarilly while they fix stuff and others say their a radical echochamber that doesnt tolerate any slight deviants. So i dont know what to believe. If any of ya m8s could enligthen me some more that'l be sweet. Thank you.

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I disagree with this. A more nuanced take is that you should consider any beehaw communities read only unless refederation happens. The defederation was not out of ill will, it was about self preservation in a growing ecosystem and the reasons were clearly communicated and a path to refederation was left open. Read only posts are still valuable, and even though there is a more complex mechanism at play than true "read only" understanding that you can view is better than just blocking them in reverse. We are all friends here, and I think in the long run refederation will happen as this platform matures.

Can you help me understand exactly how this will affect me? I actually have accounts on both lemmy.world and beehaw.org (I signed up for both when I initially found Lemmy and was trying to figure the whole thing out).

If I'm on my lemmy.world account, will I no longer be able to browse beehaw communities? On the flip side, if I'm on my beehaw.org account, will I no longer be able to browse lemmy.world communities?

Am I understanding things correctly? If that's the case, then is the only solution to flip back and forth between the two accounts depending on which server the community I'm wanting to browse is on?

I could just log in to BeeHaw...

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Can there atleast be a way to let users outside of beehaw see posts and comments but not participate, rather than completely detaching and leaving a void of content?

what about blahaj one

Disclaimer: pretty new to Lemmy a federation (older than this account though).

From what I gather, defederation is supposed to be a function of this whole system, but intended to cut off whole instances that refuse to moderate or are active cesspools. In saying that, I don’t understand Beehaw cutting off two of the other biggest instances. I know they have a weird mentality over there of no downvotes and saw some odd conversations condemning someone’s political views while admitting to not know the person at all (dafuq?).

It seems to me it would make more sense to block a single community rather than the whole instance.

Maybe they want a walled garden, but as new people come in and want as much content as possible to show that this is a better venue than Reddit, to me they give off the wrong message.

Am I mistaken somehow? Anyone able to enlighten me?

I disagree simply on the basis that they hope to refederate eventually, and it might be good to already be subbed. But yeah.

Why?

Also - fwiw - they are likely to refederate in the future. I subscribe to beehaw communities, cuz we can still see them, just can't talk to them.

Why does Lemmy make it look harder than it is? It's not a massive load compared to what modern servers and applications are designed to handle.

I couldn't sign up on beehaw and lemmy.ml after multiple tries. It feels worse than a simple centralised platform one can build in a month.

Is there alternative to reddit for people like me who don't need this kind of decentralisation (Lemmy feels like centralisation, just multiple number of it, if any instance can cut off like this.) but likes the (text heavy)interface of Lemmy?

They basically shadowbanned us because they are lazy... jokes aside, they don't have the manpower to moderate all the bots away. At least that's their reasoning.

Beads?

Do you have any insight why did they do that?

Aren't you only "shadow banned" from users of that instance? Wouldn't folks federated with your instance still see your comments?

Is there some way to just not see the remnants of communities from defederated instances?

Is there a gaming community? I found one on Beehaw, but don’t know if it will work fully

If people want to troll them they will just join another open signup federated instance. I can see them just defederating with everyone that has open signups.

Anyone knows why this happened ? Hope admins dont ruin Lemmy for everyone.

I don't get it why people block whole communities because they don't agree just with a few people. Lemmy will just get divided and inaccessible.

Is there any reason for them defederating?

I don’t understand: did something serious happened, or it’s them overreacting?

Finally a good YSK

Why have they done that? Has Lemmy World done something? Or are they trying to keep themselves exclusive?

Well this didn't take long to start spiraling

I reckon this will hurt Lemmy in the long run

What are you talking about? The apps all allow multi login. So why is this an issue?

Well they can keep to themselves. But are they trying to be the Amish of Lemmy or a large scale version of r/historians?

Well this didn't take long to start spiraling

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likely just jews being jews