40Nah, it's just filled with PR speak to make it look like there's ethics when asked
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Reforms to restrain the rent-seeking class were always an alternative to the preferred method of killing them and redistributing their wealth.
31relevant quote
The revolutionary struggle is the very antithesis of the parliamentary struggle. In Germany, for four decades we had nothing but parliamentary “victories.” We practically walked from victory to victory. And when faced with the great historical test of August 4, 1914, the result was the devastating political and moral defeat, an outrageous debacle and rot without parallel. To date, revolutions have given us nothing but defeats. Yet these unavoidable defeats pile up guarantee upon guarantee of the future final victory.
22She's right, but given our situation this misses the point. The ruling class wants you to think reforms are a "replacement" to revolution, but we don't need to accept that premise. Reforms weaken the ruling class, otherwise they would already be enacted. So I ask, por que dos?
21No los
6I too am suspicious of the number two. Two faced mf
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What if reform the classist society? Checkmate Luxemburg.
5Abolish US crony capitalism.
0You can just say capitalism
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So do you have a plan to abolish capitalism?
-1Just one more meme will do it
7They don’t have to. It will implode on itself eventually when it eats up the final resources available to it.
6Can we figure out a method that won't take 95% of the population of the Earth along with it?
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The idea that someone can have a plan is pretty silly (Pinky and the Brain silly).
The real question is do you have a plan to organize and survive when capitalism fails.
5Abolishing capitalism will never happen in our lifetime, so you have to think smaller but more effective. What needs to happen is moving to a cooperative based capitalism, where a company or corporation is owned by all of the workers, with protection of independent unions. This will very quickly reduce the divide between the rich and the poor, as well as closing the gap between productivity and wages that has worsened since the 70's.
Do I expect this to happen? Fuck no. But it has a much higher chance than the abolition of capitalism, and has more support amongst people I've spoken to over the years when I've suggested it as a path forward.
2Revolution. Build up dual power and destabilize the existing system from the outside, rather than grinding yourself to dust trying to work it out from within the system.
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im not looking to abolish capitalism just limit it to things that don't really matter. like how nice a tv folks have.
-2Just more casual references to violence. It's cool when the left does it.
-12Removing power from the ruling class can be done without violence. In fact, whenever people have tried exactly that, with purely democratic and peaceful means (eg, Allende in Chile) it has been the ruling class that has resorted to violence.
Arguably in a hi-tech media saturated and highly networked era like ours, violent revolution is actually not a practical approach at least for advanced economies. Rosa Luxemburg was talking about her era, just like Saint-Just was talking about his.
7There is a distinct difference between progressive and reactionary violence
The rule of "law and order" takes constant systemic violence to upkeep, to protect the ruling class, their private (not personal!) property and interests.
This violence of the ruling classes is normalised, even legalized/codified in law. Standing up against it, however, and enacting systemic change is branded by their lackeys as "terrorism" or "violent chaos".
Class struggle is a constant fight of one class to oppress another. Currently in most of the world, the exploitative classes oppress the exploited ones. For society to progress, the exploited must suppress the exploiters.
(Or for the expropriators to be expropriated as Marx put it. But that's just the same in fancy)After all
One person's terrorist is another one's partisan
Mao put it quite well, which is why all following quotes are from him
(btw jsyk: quoting someone on a specific issues doesn't mean supporting their views in general/every other aspect)"War is the continuation of politics." In this sense, war is politics and war itself is a political action; since ancient times there has never been a war that did not have a political character.... However, war has its own particular characteristics and in this sense, it cannot be equated with politics in general. "War is the continuation of politics by other . . . means." When politics develops to a certain stage beyond which it cannot proceed by the usual means, war breaks out to sweep the obstacles from the way.... When the obstacle is removed and our political aim attained the war will stop. Nevertheless, if the obstacle is not completely swept away, the war will have to continue until the aim is fully accomplished.... It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed. - "On Protracted War" (May 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, pp. 152-53 *
Revolutions and revolutionary wars are inevitable in class society, and without them it is impossible to accomplish any leap in social development and to overthrow the reactionary ruling classes and therefore impossible for the people to win political power. - "On Contradiction" (August1937), Selected Works, Vol. I, p. 344.*
War is the highest form of struggle for resolving contradictions, when they have developed to a certain stage, between classes, nations, states, or political groups, and it has existed ever since the emergence of private property and of classes. - "Problems of Strategy in China's Revolutionary War" (December 1936), Selected Works, Vol. I, p. 180.
This is why only after the abolition of classes, private property and states (ie. communism), will the contradictions, which are the root cause of virtually all large scale violence, be resolved.
Which in turn is why:
We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun. - "Problems of War and Strategy" (November 6, 1938), Selected Works, Vol. II, p. 225.
7point to where the violence is
2It is, it has a hero's tail kinda vibe, terminator perhaps. Whereas the right tend to come off as SkyNet in their violence.
to come back to a serious point though, read History of The Russian Revolution and you will soon see the violence is a reaction to the class antagonism, these striking workers were peaceful till the police started shooting.
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