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Haitian immigrants helped revive a struggling Ohio town. Then neo-Nazis turned up

www.theguardian.com Haitian immigrants helped revive a struggling Ohio town. Then neo-Nazis turned up

Springfield’s immigrant community was targeted by far-right extremists months before Trump shared racist rumors

Subtitle: Springfield’s immigrant community was targeted by far-right extremists months before Trump shared racist rumors

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Immigrants are the backbone and lifeblood of America.

Nazis are the opposite and offer nothing but bile and self-loathing.

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- They're the leukemia poisoning the marrow.
  
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- I mean, Nazis are good for kindling, right?
  
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  Eh....I really wouldn't want to smell all that fat.
  
  They are good guillotine tests.
  
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  With their lack of melanin they do tend to burn easily.
  
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  I think they go better as the long burn log to toss on once its already going. Moreover if you can stack a few up.
  
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members of the group pointed guns at cars and told people to “go the fuck back to Africa”

Wow, way to highlight that you are a completely ignorant douchebag

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- why, it's easy: "Not white, not Chinese then Africa!"
  
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- Hope they get shot - this is literally the logic for a conceal carry.
  
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- "Charitably", I assume because they're massive racists that they're referring to the West and Central African origins of Haitians as an ethnic group and not confusing where Haiti is, but Nazis still deserve to be jailed over their disgusting ideology regardless of if they know what continent Haiti is on.
  
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You know what Nazis bring to your town? Garbage. I don't know why this is difficult. The Nazi symbol should be banned from all public use and Nazis should be arrested and held as enemies of the state.

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- enemies of the state
  
  Arresting enemies of the state?
  
  Well, the Nazis would certainly agree with that.
  
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  You're assuming they want to apply rules consistently and fairly. When the out-group is them, they'll whine about freeze peach until we tolerate their intolerance.
  
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  Yes, I assume all sovereign nations have laws against enemies of the state. Ours are specified in the constitution. The sentencing is laid out in or laws as well. Existing as a NAZI doesn't qualify, but acting as a NAZI very well might qualify you depending on the acts.
  
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- I don't know why this is difficult.
  
  Those pesky 1st and 4th amendments to the US Constitution. They apply to everyone, not just those you agree with.
  
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  Hate speech isn't a matter of opinion. You're not special just because you have opinions.
  
  You can't just scream at people to go back to Africa.
  
  You come off as incredibly racist and ignorant since those people are U.S citizens.
  
  You're not exactly defended by the constitution if you wave your gun at people who are innocent.
  
  So pipe down.
  
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  So where is the line? Because their exercise of their rights limits others as they are no longer safe to go outside. Your rights and freedoms end where mine begin... It should not be the right of the loudest, or right of the person most careless of others, should it? Is that what we want for society?
  
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  Sure the Nazis get 1st and 4th but BLM gets a police riot. If we didn't have those rights, they don't have those rights. There's no double standard here.
  
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  They do not apply to enemies of the state like the Taliban, ISIS or Nazis.
  
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism

Stochastic terrorism is political violence that has been instigated by hostile public rhetoric which is directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished by using indirect, vague, or coded language that allows the instigator to plausibly disclaim responsibility for the resulting violence.[1] A key element is the use of social media and other distributed forms of communications where the person who carries out the violence has no direct connection to the users of violent rhetoric.[2]

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- This isn't stochastic terrorism. This is just terrorism. They are trying to terrorize the Haitians into leaving Springfield:
  
  In December, a Springfield man was sentenced to 20 years in federal jail for hate crimes after attacking eight Haitians earlier in 2023. Last year, the local Haitian church was broken into and damaged twice. Longtime Black residents of Springfield have reported being verbally abused when walking on the city’s streets, having been confused with members of the Haitian community.
  
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  The stochastic terrorism is the wild claims infrahumanising certain groups on social media. Then someone decides to act on those claims, and the people who posted them say "I had no idea that would happen".
  
  Rinse and repeat until you've made the world worse, then die with lots of money.
  
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When black immigrants go to a white town: "They raised housing costs!"
When white gentrifiers go to a black neighborhood: "They raised property values!"

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