If Harris loses, expect Democrats to move right

www.vox.com If Harris loses, expect Democrats to move right

Even though Harris is running as a moderate, progressives are likely to get blamed for her defeat.

politics @lemmy.world If Harris loses, expect Democrats to move right

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If Harris wins, expect Democrats to move right

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- If it's a tie? Believe it or not move to the right
  
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  Undercooked fish?... straight move to the right.
  
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- I just expect the world to be constantly moving to the right at this point.
  
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  There's a new pink tide struggling to be born in Latin America right now and China continues its meteoric rise as not only a superpower, but possibly dethroning US hegemony. In addition, the Axis of resistance remains defiant against the settler-colonial entity known as Israel.
  
  It's not all bad.
  
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  We can't afford to stay neutral on a moving train.
  
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Harris is running as a moderate Republican.

Liz Cheney gets to speak at her events, Muslim Democrats get escorted out by security and threatened with arrest.

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- You appear to blatantly not know the difference between democrats and republicans in my country. You'd be wise to sit this topic out in the future.
  
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  I'm from Iowa.
  
  The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats will merely watch while Republicans kill me.
  
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Their corporate overlords have been moving them right for decades already. This is old news.

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- Absolutely.
  
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Really the only difference between the two factions of the US one-party state, is that one is honest about their belief that a few capitalists should own the country and everyone else can starve, and the other is better at PR. Both Obama and Biden's cabinet were hand-picked by citibank for example, and both parties staunchly support genocide, even though the democrats occasionally try to pander to the left on it.

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- Lol, you people have worms in your brains. Do your actually listen to yourselves?
  
  Your radicalized if you believe any of this.
  
  Inb4: "NO U!!1!"
  
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It's been happening my entire life.

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Paywall bypass: https://archive.ph/wJvMN

If she wins, the Dems have been given license to genocide, which is pretty far to the right.

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running as a moderate

Lmao, genocide is "moderate"?

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Blaming progressives for Harris' defeat would be good for a "progressive" voting bloc. The only leverage a voting bloc could ever hope to have is a credible threat to withhold a vote. Usually, those on the US "left" are not perceived as credibky threatening to withhold their vote and they can be safely ignored.

Of course voting is itself limited. If you want to develop political power for the good of humanity you need to do more than think about voting and stay far away from the Democratic Party.

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- It's irrelevant since the DNC has total control over which candidate percolates to any position. In other words, the DNC ensures that any "threat" is already nipped before voters have any say at all.
  
  Look at 2016: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz sabotaged Bernie Sanders' campaign in broad daylight and then flounced directly to the Hillary Clinton campaign to hide under her skirt. Total fucking impunity.
  
  I'm glad Millennials and younger people are aware of how the machinations really work, but it's so, so disappointing to realize how many Democrats are really just 90s era Republicans.
  
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  Look at this election. Where the fuck did the democratic primary go?
  
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  Oh yes, the Democratic Party is an antidemocratic capitalist party that will fight democratization to its death. There is actually an even better example, which is lefties taking over the party in Nevada via their own official process, simply organizing people to jump through the hoops Dems had set up. In response, the Dems defunded the party and built shadow campaigns with the money, then changed its rules so they could remove the lefties.
  
  At the same time, Americans only understand politics in terms of electoralism. So the fact that they are doing the exact opposite of what a voting block should be doing to establish itself short circuits the pro-genocide "but actually it's smart to vote blue no matter who" self-defeating logic.
  
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- Blaming progressives for Harris' defeat would be good for a "progressive" voting bloc
  
  You are fucking scum. Working full time in other threads to sow discord, working (I believe literal) overtime to get people to vote for a candidate that will directly lead to the deaths of Palestinians as if you give a single shit about them...
  
  Then here you are giving the fucking game away.
  
  You're working overtime to push the one thing that you know will drive a wedge between the Democratic party and progressives.
  
  You say this is in order to force the Democrats to lose because you think this puts progressives in a better position going forward, but I'm not even sure I believe that.
  
  You're trash. Fuck off please.
  
  Not that it matters. Trump wins, actual progressives will have more important things to worry about such as basic survival
  
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  You are fucking scum.
  
  Please do your best to engage in good faith and refrain from namecalling.
  
  Working full time in other threads to sow discord, working (I believe literal) overtime to get people to vote for a candidate that will directly lead to the deaths of Palestinians as if you give a single shit about them…
  
  Sorry but no I don't get paid to have opinions against genocide.
  
  You’re working overtime to push the one thing that you know will drive a wedge between the Democratic party and progressives.
  
  Democrats doing genocide is what creates the wedge. I am trying to get you to not accept genocide rather than go to the other side and accept it. It is bad to normalize genocide.
  
  You say this is in order to force the Democrats to lose because you think this puts progressives in a better position going forward, but I’m not even sure I believe that.
  
  No, it is because I think it is bad for everyone for you and others to normalize genocide. I am simply responding to others' questions and points when they say things like what it means to get blamed for defeat and so on. I do not think anyone here is being organized or strategic. But they are normalizing genocide.
  
  You’re trash. Fuck off please.
  
  Please do your best to avoid namecalling.
  
  Not that it matters. Trump wins, actual progressives will have more important things to worry about such as basic survival
  
  I have already organized under several presidents, including Obama, Trump, and Biden. This "Trump sandwich" is revelatory. Of those three, it has been most difficult under Obama and Biden, as well as due to the local policies of Democrats.
  
  Because I apparently need to explain it, this does not mean I am saying Trump is simply "better" or you should vote for him. Remember, I don't subscribe to "lesser evil" votes for genociders.
  
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- Too bad it's not gonna matter, since if Trump wins, America will only have elections in the same sense that Russia does.
  
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  I heard this in 2016 as well, and famously, trump was voted out of office the very next election 🤔
  
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  That would be improvement so no chance lol. If Trump wins America will only have elections in the same sense that America does.
  
  Idk how this shit can be called "democracy" even formally, with how population density, massive gerrymandering, elector college, supreme court, disenfranchisement of vast population groups, swing states and differences in states in general influence it. And probably like a million little details i don't even know, every time i learn a new fact about US "democracy", any fact, it just point out a new argument why it isn't a democracy at all.
  
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  How much you wanna bet?
  
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This is why I feel we need the republicans to fail so badley they become irrelevant. We need to make it clear that extreme right ideology is a death sentence to a party.

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- We don't need to wait for Republicans to not exist to get representation in government. With state level electoral reform, people would ve be free to vote for those who best represent their interests secure in the knowledge their vote would still be counted against those they don't want in office.
  
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Making the rightmost party more viable does tend to do that

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My boy Bernie is still ticking... If only we could get him in that oval office. We had a shot, and we tried.

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- Never forget Bernie's legacy... https://youtu.be/ZlZaVtCT5HI
  
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Biden won by running more left than he was. Even if you think entire public is behind diminishing Russia and China, just because there's a bipartisan consensus for it, the economic damage caused by Ukraine war and lying about the causes of the economic damage is a certain weight on DNC. The pure demonic evil of neocon empire, but no one talking about it, still finds its way into brainless voters' bones.

Winner will be based on turnout. Enthusiasm and hope gets missed when DNC feels like a fundraising organization that got its dream opponent, and still failed to run away with the election. The "more right" solution is just certain collapse of US and any faith in democracy or zionist media that genuinely favours the most zionist candidate, when genocide is so easily at reach.

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They already have, and by a lot, this election cycle.

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Why would they draw the wrong conclusion?

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- I went as far right as I could.
  
  I lost.
  
  I should go further right.
  
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  I held my vote hostage to force Dems to the left.
  
  Dems moved to the right.
  
  I should hold my vote hostage even harder.
  
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Rich people cause all of the wars because they don’t like being on bottom. We strengthened the US against rich people and Nazis after the WW2 and both groups have been attacking the US since. The Sacklers are the best example of why rich people shouldn’t exist. Leon is another example but the Sacklers are the type of people that really makes the world worse. They intentionally sold addictive drugs to the public. Thats Nazi level shit right there. Harris NEEDS to win because what lays behind Trump and Leon is so bad you won’t be able to react. That’s coming from a guy who was raised next to wealth. These people are BAD.

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Hell, at this point Harris could run on the exact same platform as Trump and I’d still vote for her over him.

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- Only the saddest world possible will do for our future generations. chefs kiss
  
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- It is all about decorum to liberals and not policy, we know. I didn't expect you to be honest about it.
  
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