Considering last night's results, I don't expect NATO to be credible 4 years from now

I mean if Europe wants to increase their military funding and move items in house I think that would be a wonderful idea. Because America is not a reliable partner in this at all in the past two decades.

Good job to all of the fucks who stayed home because of Gaza, thinking that not voting and letting the GOP rise to power would actually help the situation.

Yeah, because Netanyahu's extreme right-wing policy was a problem with the US's left-wing party, right?

It will just be renamed to No America Treaty Organization

Thank fuck we didn’t give up our nukes in the UK.

Nato without USA is still bigger military than Russia.

It seems like a very real possibility. A new, EU followup seems like a natural next step to protect the borders and peace.

NATO will be fine. They'll just have to up their game a bit militarily. If America wants to be insular and wrap a flag of isolationism around them, it'll hurt in the short term, but after four years of being more independent of Americas tit, its more than likely the US that will find itself less relevant globally.

Even before this, there was already rumblings, not just in China, but elsewhere, about ditching the american dollar standard and returning to the gold standard. That's just going to gain momentum as soon as Trump starts trying to wave his mushroom around.

I think that’s unlikely.

But I also thought Trump winning was unlikely,

So what do I know?

Hopefully the EU takes over. It has a lot more economic strength then NATO. Also the UK is strong as well, but that can be managed. Turkey does its own things anyway and I would not trust them. Norway and Iceland are not that important. Canada is going to go with the US anyway. The advantage is easier common funding for projects, due to the EU having more direct access to money. There are also a lot of the basics in the works already.

Let’s just kick America out if need be.

The biggest thing will be all those nato countries who can't do anything with their US weapons if the US says so.

NATO will kick us to the curb and rise to the challenge. We will need them one day and they will say no.

It isn't credible now. It likely won't exist at all in 4 years. Unless it cedes even more decision making authority to the US and becomes even more of a puppet.

Can NATO still mean something if the US leaves? I think so, but there is much soul searching to be done.

NCD not beating the MIC bootlickers allegations

4 years? Try 6 months from now.

For people outside NATO it hasn’t been credible for a long time now.

Now watch red maga walk back on that too, like all of blue/red maga promises.

The only good thing that could've possibly come out of this, and it won't even happen.

calling the shots in europe is part of the us strategy to perpetuate imperialism. nato wont go anywhere.

Love the implication that the shitty imperialist anglo organization was ever credible.

Wait ... NATO was credible now?

NATO hasn't been credible since they helped the US perpetrate a brutally violent colonialist pity party in Afghanistan.

Trump's point about NATO countries needing to adhere to the funding that was agreed with mutually is a good one and I'm super confused why he was ridiculed about it when he said it. I mean, what's the point of the alliance if we don't do the things we agree to do?

Good.

NATO is a trash organization. It's basically Reich Lite.

good?

I don't think NATO is in any danger. Trump has a very aggressive and bombastic style of negotiation. You saw this with NAFTA. Trump called it the worst agreement in the history of the world. But the USMCA is just NAFTA with a new acronym and now it's apparently the BEST trade agreement in the history if the world. Its the same with Trump and NATO. The Europeans are the worst freeloaders in the history of the universe...until they up their defense spending by half a percentage point to appease the Donald, and then NATO will be the best alliance ever. Typical bombastic bullshit.

As an european: Good riddance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

When the US speaks about protection, they mean vassality. It means protection like the mafia does.

NATO colonies deserve their freedom. They need a backbone to stop being US slaves, and Trump demeaning demand terms, is an opportunity for that backbone. It is categorically absurd that Russia threatens to invade current NATO members, and the idiocy of continuing a war on Russia needs to be more obvious to the colonies.

🙏🙏🙏 here's hoping 🙏🙏🙏