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Moscow targeted again as Kyiv steps up drone attacks inside Russia

www.cnn.com Moscow targeted again as Kyiv steps up drone attacks inside Russia | CNN

Russia says Ukraine targeted Moscow with drones on Sunday, the latest in a series of attacks that have brought the Ukraine war to Russia’s capital.

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People can turn away from supporting a war pretty quickly when it suddently reaches your doorstep.

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- Or they can become more in favor of it.
  
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  Yeah suddenly the "nazi" regime is "attacking". When you see yourselves as the heroic liberators, being attacked on your home turf comes across as evil aggression, instead of what it really is. 0.0001% of the pain you've inflicted being returned to you.
  
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  That was my take, given Putin history of the checyen false flag I was almost thinking false flag to get home support, it is only the fact Kyiv, while not actively admitting, still hint at responsible that changed mind. It does seem a odd tactic going for such a dense civilian heavily defended area for little advantage in stopping war machine.
  
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- That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can't think of a single example. When war is on the doorstep support for your own side typically hardens massively.
  
  The times where populations have turned against wars have always been when the troops are fighting far away from home in lands that the home population feels they shouldn't be dying in.
  
  This will only make people cling to support for the military because they rely on it for personal safety.
  
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  That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.
  
  Russia in 1917
  
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  That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.
  
  There are countless historical examples of cities and nations surrendering without a fight when faced with attack. Just look at the Mongol conquests for an obvious starting point.
  
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  Then they can watch their entire country burn. FAFO. Slava Ukraini.
  
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- It usually has the opposite effect and hardens resolve
  
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  Press X to doubt.
  
  Everyone is a badass until bullets start whizzing by your ass.
  
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- All it took was a harbor…
  
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The damage is pretty mild compared to the ruins that Russia created with their missiles on major ukrainian cities. If moscovits are shaking bacause 10 windows of a single story got damaged, they are invited to ukraine and see what they are doing to the civil population there.

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- When mosquito is a nuisance, but 1000 mosquitoes is a real threat.
  
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Good shit Ukraine, hope you figure out ways to counter their counters.

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Good.

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Any facts or verification that this was actually done by Ukraine? Seems like it’d be pretty on point for Russian propaganda to throw a few drones at themselves to whip up fervor. Not to mention the fact that it could’ve been done by partisans in Russia itself. I’d label either of those more likely than Ukrainian attacks on civilian infrastructure.

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- The fact that Ukraine claims responsibility is a pretty strong indicator. Who else do you think would have done it?
  
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  The Kremlin, as a false flag attack to justify something like broader mobilization.
  
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- The West insisted that their weapons are not to be used inside Russia. I don't think Ukraine would want to risk the supply of weapons for small political gains.
  
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  The Beaver is Ukrainian produced.
  
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  We told them to not point the 16s at Moscow, while giving them the keys to all the old armor collecting dust and built to fuck up russkies.
  
  David is gonna stab Goliath every chance he gets
  
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- When I first heard the news I actually automatically assumed that's what had happened.
  
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- The Ukrainians revealed a new type of long range kamikaze drone capable of hitting Moscow called the Beaver.
  
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Video of the drone attack: https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1685482924987056128

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- surprised pikachu
  
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- Like, I get that seeing an explosion in your home city is scary. But the person recording that is acting like it's a surprise that the attacks came to their front door.
  
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- I feel pretty sus about this. Why was the videographer even recording at like 2am? At the last moment, the video went from a fluid motion of panning left and abruptly turning to the point of interest and then explosion. Seems like whoever recorded this already knew it was going to happen and just "happen" to record it.
  
  This seems like Russian propaganda and an effort to mobilize the West.
  
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I hope it didn't kill any civilians.

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- Fair, but also almost strangely off kilter comment? Idk. I hope when Russia bombs Ukranian cities no one gets hurt but that clearly doesn't happen. Hate to 'whatabout' you but one solid strike against Moscow is hardly triggering my sympathy for them.
  
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  Civilian deaths are bad no matter what side. Leave the soapboxing, armchair warrior stuff back at Reddit please and realize there's no room for nuance when discussing human, civilian life. Not every Russian is bad...
  
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Can someone explain how they can fly drones that far?

Or is it someone stationed locally who's soing the control?

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- Probably both, but yiu can fly a drone a lot further when it is a one way mission and yiu don't need to save energy to fly it back.
  
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  yeah, I'd guess like 2 times further lol
  
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- These are partially remote human guided missiles
  
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Wasn't there a point where if Ukraine took the fight and crossed the Russian border, that Nato and Ukraines supporters would withdraw their support?

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- Yes. The very first one of these suicide drone attacks Ukraine still denies it was them lol
  
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I don't know anything about war, are attacks like this acceptable? Doesn't it risk killing civilians?

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- If russia doesn't like it, it can leave Ukraine and stop these attacks.
  
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  Agreed. Tit for tat doesn't begin to describe the "Tat" that Russia has been flinging into Ukraine.
  
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- Unfortunately they are, if enough justification exists. In WW2, both the Allies and Axis would bombard cities with civilians if those had any strategic value (military industries, disruption of logistics, sometimes because soldiers were inside the houses, etc).
  
  Other times, it was to try out hypothesis. Germany started to bombard London to see if the population would become demoralised and demand the government to capitulate. The US sent the infamous Hiroshima and Nagasaki Nuclear Bombs, because they believed the japanese military would not capitulate through conventional means (I recommend reading more about the pacific war if you're interested, but the bottom line here is that most japanese soldiers were expected to fight to the death, and the US could not treat them like a western power. The nuclear bombs were a bet that they could avoid having to invade Japan itself)
  
  And to be honest things didn't change that much since then. There might be more awareness of how awful it is, some countries might need better justifications than others before targeting cities, but they do it. The US did it in the middle east, Russia too, etc.
  
  From my average joe point of view, this attack didn't target anything with strategic value, but the attack itself is a message that Ukraine can reach Moscow.
  
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- Not knowing anything about this war is honestly pretty ignorant of you. Its the most important war on the planet right now, you don't get to just bury your hed in the sand.
  
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  And boy - what a great way to ensure that nothing is learned!
  
  Here's a post from someone trying to learn, and get a bit of context from more learned people, and you just shit all over them?
  
  Shameful.
  
  Thanks at least for showing me that actually - the feddeverse isn't for me. Ta ta!
  
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Great job people. Let's congratulate people on targeting civilians during a war. Clap clap clap.

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- Man shut the fuck up lmao
  
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  Great discourse. Thumbs up. Just the kind of mental capacity to applaud trying to kill civies.
  
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- They were targeting military government buildings. But the drones got deflected and crashed into nearby structures.
  
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- Very unlikely they were targeting civilians, stop spreading Kremlin lies.
  
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  Even if they were targeting government buildings, you know civies work in those too?
  
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- Why should we care? At best we could say that they are ignorant and at worst complicit. Will this attack prolong the war? Are you ready to decry every death on all sides at every opportunity, or just the ones you don't agree with? Are there rules to war that only one side is allowed to break? Context matters
  
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  No one should die on either side. No matter what, it is sad. What is worse is the people sitting on their high horses saying this is a good thing. Just disgusting.
  
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