for the next discussion with family

They won't deport them. Being illegally working in the US will be punishable by 5 years forced labour in food farming.

Sometimes libs don't realize their mask slipped. "They do the jobs we won't" is bougie shit. People will do anything that pays well enough, isn't abusive or unnecessarily dangerous, and doesn't involve being housed in a bunk on-site.

These migrant workers are being abused by capitalists, and arguably we aren't even seeing the savings anyway, for what that would be worth.

See, you're mistaken. You are asking irrational people to use logic.

Orange man great biznus man he will make Mexico pay tariffs and food will become cheaper. Also it will deport criminals (?) So I feel safe again.

When i see this kind of posts, i tend to ask myself : does being on the left wing mean you're ok with illegal immigrate workforce being exploited in your fields and farms ? Just so you have cheap products AND go easy on your consciences ?

That's because they will not deport all of them. They will deport a few 100.000 with a lot of noise.. and then not so much. Giving the farmers an even bigger boogie man to hold over these workers.. effectively creating a new slave class in the US.

Relying on illegal laborers for work sounds horrific as all hell for both sides tbqh

And imprisoning people in slave labor camps that happen to be next to farms is not "deporting".

Tariffs on Canadian oil won't lower gas prices either.

trade war with mexico where 70% of US vegetables and 50% of US fruit will not help either. Nor will talking down to California, where most of the rest is from. I hope you red staters like corn and pork for every meal.

If Trump voters could read, they'd be very upset by this.

But at least we won't have gay liberal abortions, right?

4D Chess move: wanna stop immigration into your country? Make your country so shitty and unlivable that it's not worth visiting let alone moving to

That's what the rolling back of child labour laws are for.

Let the urban farmer flourish.

Watch "community focused" small businesses struggle while their they "success friends" disappear so they can make a community focused on something other then capitol. Maybe they'll become urban farmers or intersectionalize with a passed skill like sewing or smut writing.

Get outside y'all go play chess with the old dude at the park. Go call the neighbor kid a little shit. Engage with your community.

Neoliberalism shitposts like this one, is one reason why Trump won.

Pro tip: relying on imported cheap (illegal) labor for critical production isn't sustainable nor does it create a locally and globally stable society. Especially when the world has moved from uni-polar to multi-polar.

Particularly because citizens will not take those jobs.

At 20, a job was a job.

Me at 40+, physically incapable of doing that work - much less at the requisite speed.

Dammit, the one positive of suffering through summer temps is fresh produce.

Stop, stop, stop. We're going to find this stuff out. We're going to learn. It will be painful. It's certainly going to be painful to watch. I just don't want to spend another second begging the 5 year old not to touch the burner anymore.

"Just trust Trump" says every Trump supporter that knows nothing of how the world works

A fifth seems really low.

Something tells me with trump in charge, they'll leave on purpose.. There will also be a lot of Americans in the next 4 years migrating to other countries too

Mexico and Canada will have to build a wall to keep Americans out

And it’s admitting to the very social economic racism designed for poverty still adamant in our culture today to refer to a group of people as ‘food workers’

Get with your friends and neighbors and start hatching a plan to grow some of your own food starting next year. At worst you have fun and eat well.

Retaliatory tariffs strangling the ag industry's exports might for some items. For a harvest. Before the banks foreclose on the farms.

When you vote to deport grandma but still take her presents on christmas.

Funny enough, it'll make food more expensive, because now there's more leverage for the worker. But, ofc, RFK wants to make field work forced labour camps for the disabled, which will most probably coat the same as prison labour - which means that ordinary labourers will be even more devalued.

I am so tired of this. Just... Let them try and find out. And refuse to learn and find out again and again and again.

If only this would be possible without others suffering from their stupidity.

Same energy as insinuating my personal emissions and plastic habits are what will make/break the planet.

No. This is all in the control of far more powerful groups. Why would I ruin time with family by discussing something fundamentally out of our control? Only serves to divide and no good comes of that kind of discussion.

I'll focus on paying bills and eeking out a basically okay life in spite of the shit that goes on.

I mean, if they entered the country illegally them even being within the borders is a crime in itself. We shouldn't let criminals just run free as they wish.

Yes, and? This was the expected outcome, short-term pain for long-term gain.

By limiting imports and exports through tariffs and deporting illegal aliens, we'll either get more unemployed Americans working, or we'll actually get focused on automation. Any industry built on the back of illegal labor should be collapsed. Those who hire illegal labor should be jailed, and the illegal aliens should be deported. We have homeless, unemployed Americans. Offer them the jobs. Give them American wages, worker protections, and the opportunity to contribute to society again. Yes, the costs will go up for a time, but we'll be investing in our community and in our neighbors. It's called protectionism for a reason - we protect what is ours.

Support local businesses. Support local products and services. Support those who support your community. Yes, Americans will have higher costs for a time, but that rising tide will eventually lift all boats if we can manage to keep the government out of our hair for a while.