What the trolly problem actually looks like

My favorite one lol

I remember this one with the caption “but if you stop it it’s going to be unfair for the people that already died”
- Gotta love a suttle shame that caption has
This is literally ~~1984~~ COVID19
- Literally all Capitalism
Accurate
An impossible decision.

You are an omniscient and all powerful God.

You create someone who is tortured and killed in a war at the age of 2.

You are a benevolent God because you helped that person experience the full spectrum of what life has to offer.

The 2 year old did not acknowledge your supreme authority because you did not give it a developed brain to grasp the concept and so they burn in hell for eternity, never able to fully comprehend what happened to them. Their entire existence is one of suffering and unexplainable agony.

You are a benevolent God.

Praise be
"God is good, therefore everything God does is good."

If god is all-knowing, he knew I would grow up an atheist. If god is all-powerful, he hasn't done anything about it. So I guess he's okay with it.

Oh, no, it would be wrong for him to do anything to interfere with your free will! But it's totally fine for his worshipers to do so.
- Because you uhh, you have to make the choice? Even though God, if the being is all knowing, and all powerful, could set up conditions for every human being that ever existed to come to choose tobelieve in him, should he actually desire that.
  So either, he doesn't desire it, can't do it, or doesn't know.
  If he doesn't desire it, it doesn't matter. If he can't do it or doesn't know, then he is not God, and it doesn't matter.
- Why wouldn't he do something about it while I was alive? Not omnipotent enough?

I took a quick poll of people tied to the tracks, and a majority reported that:

I'm good.
Please get us off these tracks.

Hahaha, thank you.
He’ll take me when it’s my time.
- He works in mysterious ways.

Plus, he also knew you wouldn't accept him even before he created you.

God only kills people he knows will be evil

Just remember next time you see a make a wish kid that they are literally worse than Hitler

Dude blood cancer kids are worse than Hitler. Do you know how many times I'm watching Rick and Morty and I get interrupted by the make a wish foundation? It's infuriating.
I mean, Hitler was a bad guy but he did kill Hitler!
/s
Holy fuck that post is dripping with sarcastic and it still hurt to write.
- I mean, Hitler was a bad guy but he did kill Hitler!
  He also killed the guy who killed Hitler, though. That bastard.
Didn't Hitler killed a lot of gay men? How many gay men has the make a wish kid killed? Check mate, Atheists.

I brought a question like this up in a church. It was not well received.

No, because you define "evil" as "against your will", and "good" as "anything you do".

Stop judging me by how I play Rollercoaster Tycoon >:(

Plus, as said omnipotent creator you leave only highly questionable 'evidence' of your existence

If we're talking about Yahweh specifically, he even left evidence that shows he went from a god in a pantheon to the current supposed "one and only" god.
- All the pantheistic religions are more interesting than monotheism. They're still 100% bullshit, but monotheism is like having a D&D character with maxed out stats and skills across the board - they can do everything, but there's no creativity or challenge, so it's just so boring.

You forgot the "they accept you as the creator, and you let the trolley hit anyway"

It's just part of Your plan
Then condemn them to endless suffering and torment if they question you.
- Also if they don't, but they ate a ham sandwich or wore mixed fabrics or something.

He'S nOt EvIl, He SaVeS yOu!

if only it was just death by trolley... but no no.. ists actually burning for the eternity in a fiery pit of lava and ash, you know, love.

Is the real riddle about not being powerful enough or smart enough to spell omniscient correctly?

That's what happen when you make up some entity to be responsible for everything including suffering and shits

I never got this. They say he is omnipotent, therefore he does not perceive time in a linear way like we do. He knows everything that ever was, is and will be all at once. So there is not much to test here. Either he does the things needed to make me a believer or he doesn't. It's his choice and not mine. Free will is meaningless here, even if it does exist, he does already knows my choice before I make it or he is not omnipotent.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

The Christian solution to the Trolley Problem: "Don't worry, guys on the tracks! I'll pray for you!"

Here's my take.

Whether "God" is all good, all knowing, all capable, or all something else is an irrelevant question. It presumes "God" has motivation to demonstrate any of these "all"s in a way we could comprehend, and I'm not talking about the Futurama idea "when you're doing it right, they won't be sure you've done anything at all" deal.

I mean that "God" is gone. Packed their shit up and moved on, when exactly they'd have done this is up for debate, but for relatability's sake I'll say after the ascension of Jesus.

"Jesus died for our sins.", this phrase references Jesus's cleansing the human race of original sin, the frustrated children of young earth creationists accuse this notion of "God" forgiving humanity for trying to learn things, but since the Torah is intended as a metaphorical text, I take the meaning of what Jesus cleansed humanity of as "sins of the father."

Basically, "God" made humanity, and then left when humanity gained self awareness and individuality. The point of any religion they'd have placed on earth, or any messenger they'd have sent would be to model good behaviour for the people they appear to, and then to leave those people to learn to choose to behave themselves, not for fear of punishment or for promise of salvation, but because doing the right thing in a moment is just the right thing to do, and that alone merits doing it.

So the chain of development is "God" makes the world and the beginning stages of humanity, at some point "God" takes the training wheels off by making every individual responsible for their own actions rather than to be tied inextricably to some ancestor's will or legacy or crimes, "God" leaves to give humanity the free will to choose goodness for goodness' own sake rather than out of some command to do so.

In other words, if there's a great and powerful creator, they're obviously not here to intervene for their own law, and that'd probably be by design if their intention was for us to exercise our own free will in a moral manner.

Regardless of if the shoe fits or not mythologically, I feel like the "do right for right's own sake" is a proper enough "final imperative" in a free will model of the world.

You're essentially positing the deist possibility, where an all powerful entity created existence and afterwards just left it to its own devices.
- Certainly what'd make the most sense to me given how much of the observable world doesn't work in any other scenario besides one with no creator at all.
  Note that I'm not saying I believe it in a spiritual sense, just that if I had to accept that a creator was responsible for the universe, that the above description is what would make the most sense to me given what can be observed in the current world.

Nothing in the Bible says that God is truly omnipotent; the Bibile itself references multiple times the existence of Satan, the evil, which ruins the existence on Earth and pushes people to commit sins.

So no, this meme doesn't have any fucking sense.

Atheist here. I have a co-worker who says the world is ultimately just and so we don't have to really work at improving things because the difference will be paid off in the afterlife.
Do you subscribe to that as well?
- No, i think this would be great but being realistic, it's a no.
…but didn’t God create Satan as well?
- Yes, the bible says that God created Satan, an entity which had free will and was "good". Like the human, the entity could also do sinful things thanks to the fact that he had free will. Infact, Satan turned "bad" but Lucifer’s sinful pride cost him his place in paradise.
The bible doesn't say a lot of shit that many Christians claim to be true anyway. It is absolutely a common claim that god is omnipotent.
- It is a common claim, doesn't mean that I have to claim that

lol. this has such teenager atheist energy.

"my sole exposure to religion and spirituality is abrahamic and im very rational and mad about it."

Sounds like OP hit a nerve 🤣
You not liking the "energy" of the post doesn't make it inaccurate though, does it?
Most people on Lemmy seem to be English speaking, and most English speakers are primarily exposed to abrahamic religions, so yeah that tracks
- Could you elaborate? I do not understand what you mean. Is it because they are referring to the abrahamic religions as simply abrahamic?
....you realize what sub you're on right?
The "problem of evil" has been a topic of serious scholarship for millenia. No "theodicy" makes logical sense, but more than just teenagers examine it.
People talk about thing therefore people must not know other thing exist hur
Abrahamic is a large percentage, so yeah. The concept of a deity or deities that have some evil component to them isn't just from that line of religion evolution. At least the gods of Greek, Roman, Norse, etc. openly had human flaws that contributed to their behaviors, and didn't fall into the "mysterious ways" excuse.