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Think deep

Programmers can answer all existential questions with ease

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- Haha, I want to see a race condition going on with real matter.
  
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  This kills the universe.
  
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  Maybe we can't do race, but what about racemic?
  
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If you fork a process, then it's the two separate processes but sharing the same memory with copy-on-write mapping.

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- Is that actually more efficient if I need my child process to do something different with different data?
  
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  It's more efficient for memory until you start working with different data. Threads also rely on the same syscall on Linux, clone(2), but they don't share the entire context by default, so they're more lightweight. It is recommended to use pthreads(3) API instead of fork(2).
  
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- Is that actually more efficient if I need my child process to do something different with different data?
  
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If you just clone a reference to them, then you are just pointing another finger at them.

Is this really an analogy that resonates with programmers today?

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- If you clone a reference to someone you have a completey separate body but any actions taken affect the original as well
  
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  I believe it is just a wormhole pointing to the original so even if it may look like another body it's just the original being manipulated through the warped spacetime continuum
  
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They are, on the exact moment they are cloned. On the next attosecond they are not.

Edit: Well, if they are cloned on the cellular level, otherwise it's just NO.

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- What if they're placed into two completely identical environments?
  
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  Quantum multiverse theory says that happens all the time.
  
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  What if it happened already?
  
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- Why cellular level?
  
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- You have no idea what cloning is, right? You're too young to remember Dolly
  
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  bahhh
  
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The real answer btw is no, cloned animals aren't identical to their original, same base traits, but for example in cows spot position will be different

Also unless you can copy their memories, they just won't be the same person.

And then they'd have two different life experiences and would immediately begin to differ.

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- And we also change every milisecond. How long this process takes? It may seem irrelevant but copy of you 5 seconds ago is not you now. It's your restored back up.
  
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  Unless your pause execution of the original or there's an ongoing synchronization during the cloning process
  
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Okay, now do the Trolley Problem.

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If you copy by reference there’s still only one person.

What is clone by reference?

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https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/76908/trouble-star-trek-transporters

If the transporter takes all the atoms that make up a person, encodes them, beams them somewhere else, and then reassembles them, how can we know that the resulting "person" is the same person who went in?

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Depends if you add the ethicator or not

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Is it a copy or a hardlink?

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Did you remember to override .Equals and .GetHashCode?

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Make a deep clone

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If you clone them, you'll lose their functions.

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Huh. Now my confusion about the chicken and the egg debate makes a lot more sense, it seems odd to me that such an easily answered question ended with so much confusion

I'm now realizing it's only a debate with non programmers, I thought it was a mutual ADHD communication thing, now I'm realizing maybe it's just because they learned about inheritance

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It’s not, it’s a copy, but if you think all consciousness is the same, then maybe.

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Imagine if you saw someone who looked exactly like you and mimicked your exact actions, but they were just 3 or 4 feet to the left of you. That's by reference (I think)

Contrasting an exact copy of you that can think for itself and has autonomy, which is by value (I think)

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- By value could be described as, the exact same as you at the time of cloning, but it will be its own object and in no way connected to your actions.
  
  Whereas by reference would be exactly what you described
  
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That’s some funny shit… XD

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