5mo ago

EU slams the door on US in colossal defense plan

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EU slams the door on US in colossal defense plan – POLITICO

BRUSSELS — United States arms-makers are being frozen out of the European Union’s massive new defense spending plan, which aims to splash the cash for EU and allied countries, according to defense spending plans released Wednesday.

Also left out — for now — is the United Kingdom.

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The latest economic casualty in Trump's campaign to destroy the USA is the US defense sector who will over the next few years start to lose all orders from the EU.

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EU slams the door on US in colossal defense plan

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EU slams the door on US in colossal defense plan

www.politico.eu /article/eu-freeze-us-multi-billion-defense-plan-arm-makers/

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US poltical cultural and financial hedgemony:
These 🤡 dont understand why the US is/ was able to become the global super power, for a time.
- The only hope for the US not becoming a repeat of 1920s Germany at this point is that they're too stupid to make it happen.
  
  The only hope for the US not becoming a repeat of 1920s Germany
  Its seeming like they are trying to speed run it. What I think they may have failed to understand was that global integration with the US was a relationship of consent and respect.
  I forget who said it recently.. something like "You dont have the cards".. their name escapes me. Global chip manufacturing, RAM, automobile components, silicon wafers, lithium, lumber, and on and on and on..
  Its far easier for the world to get along without the US than it is for the US to get along without the rest of the world.
  
  I think they're already in the 1930's
The American Military-Industrial Complex hurt itself in its confusion!
- The American MIC used Stir Conflict again
The best way to hurt the US is to remove the flow of cash into corporate hands.
- Not just ANY corporate hands, this is the US military industrial complex we're talking about. They're not going to be happy lmao
  
  If stuff like this doesn't elicit some kind of response from those "deep state" folks I keep hearing about then I think it's safe to say they don't exist. What would they be hiding that power and influence for if not to protect their interests from an idiot like Trump ruining the game for them?
- Everyone, please cancel your amazon account if you haven’t already
What everyone talks about is losing Europe as a customer, which then increases US costs. What no one is talking about is Europe becoming a huge arms exporter, which then competes with US equipment which then increases US costs. Right now Europe gives not very good options, but a few decades of integrating their product line and bringing costs down from coordination and they will have excellent products. This moves Europe from not just a purchaser to a non-purchaser, but to a competitor.
- I disagree with one point you made, Europe has some of the best weapon systems ever made, they are being made today all over Europe.
  What we are lacking is the production capacity.
  
  Which is exactly the position you want to be in when you are not currently at war
- I feel like Europe has a leg up in this situation and can scale into it faster than people expect as well. Many European nations have experience in joint projects either with the US (like Germany with the Leopard 2 coming out of the same program as the US M1 Abrams and probably being the biggest export MBT outside of Soviet tanks from the Cold War) or with each other (like with the Eurofighter, the standardization of ammunition, and every NATO nation using the Rheinmetall L7 120mm smoothbore cannon as the gun on their tanks). Every NATO nation - and even plenty outside of it - are already on a standardized logistics platform, and moving that away from any American standard would be as easy as using an American standard, and could prove difficult for American arms manufacturers if the two diverge and NATO nations suddenly become an "export market."
  
  What I mean is they have to streamline it. The Leopard 2 currently has to compete with the Leclerc and the Challenger 2. Having 3 tanks means 3x R&D and more costly manufacturing and support. Eurofighter has to compete with Rafale and Gripen. Just the eurofighter engine has 4 manufacturers and must be a coordination nightmare. How many rifle designs are there? How many IFV designs? APC designs? Streamline this and you get a better quality product at a lower cost and you have a more competitive product for export. Even for non export there are 2 carrier designs, 2 nuclear Sub designs, etc.
US about FA.... gonna be decades of FO.
Biggest fail in geopolitics since USSR collapsed under itself after generations of clown management.
- I think the FA phase will come much sooner than that. It's right around the corner.
  
  I think the FA had been going on for at least a few weeks now, if not a lot longer.
Oooh… Trumps actions are starting to negatively affect Halliburton and Black Rock. That’s how you end up with an “unsanctioned black op” on your ass. I always said Trumps downfall will be pissing people off by messing with their money.
- Idk, this may be why we have to slaughter a whole new generation to deal with the "European problem." That'd make everyone some fat stacks and kill off the poors, so win-win.
Cool.
It makes sense for the UK to be out as it's not in the EU. However the UK and EU may end up making a deal on shared procurement which makes sense for both.
Most of the top 10 biggest defence companies are US or Chinese, with 1 russian company. The largest defence company in Europe is BAE in the UK, and the only one in the top 10.
There are 5 more EU companies in the top 30, and another UK company.
A shared procurement deal would allow a bigger choice of companies and competitive procurement to keep costs down. There is a real risk for the EU (and the UK) of inflated costs if they limit procurement to a small group of European companies that don't have to compete with the big american companies for the contracts.
I think it's right to exclude the US, but then the pool of companies needs to be as big as possible to allow competitive tendering.
It's pretty normal right? Trump's tariffs make all US goods more expensive, so why pay more to a country that is undermining your economy when Europe can do it cheaper and more reliable elsewhere?

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